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To any other CA 4xe owners out there, do you feel my pain? When I purchased my 4xe back in April, the dealership told me that it qualified for the Carpool lane sticker for 2 years. On top of that, there are several rebates listed on the Jeep.com website about state and local rebates. After dozens of calls to Jeep HQ and digging up info from the Clean Air Resources Board (CARB), it turns out that the 4xe does not qualify for the carpool lane sticker or for the LADWP rebates on Residential Level 2 chargers. The program is supposed to reimburse up to $500 for a charging station, and it looks like the Mopar one runs for about $600. Frank at Jeep HQ voiced his frustrations with it all and basically blamed California's strict eligibility requirements for the problem, but he isn't able to do anything about it on his end since the state is the gatekeeper. The reason it does not qualify for the program is because it has to have an all electric range of 30 miles and it just falls short on paper. I told Frank he should let his dealerships know that they shouldn't be promising people carpool lane stickers. That is a very big deal out here to have with all of the crazy traffic, and one of the reasons I bought the Jeep in the first place. As much as I still love my 4xe, all the reasons for me spending the extra $$ thinking I was getting some back later have all gone out the window. Fingers crossed that I will be able to get the federal $7500 rebate. I was also still able to get the $1500 point of sale rebate that I didn't read about until days after buying the Jeep. They were supposed to deduct that from the price when I was signing my life away. When I went back into the dealer days later to ask for the rebate, they weren't even aware of it and asked where I learned of it and I said "Ummm on Jeep.com??" and they were apologetic and gave it to me. So make sure to read the fine print and stay on top of it, because nobody else is. Good luck!
 

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To any other CA 4xe owners out there, do you feel my pain? When I purchased my 4xe back in April, the dealership told me that it qualified for the Carpool lane sticker for 2 years. On top of that, there are several rebates listed on the Jeep.com website about state and local rebates. After dozens of calls to Jeep HQ and digging up info from the Clean Air Resources Board (CARB), it turns out that the 4xe does not qualify for the carpool lane sticker or for the LADWP rebates on Residential Level 2 chargers. The program is supposed to reimburse up to $500 for a charging station, and it looks like the Mopar one runs for about $600. Frank at Jeep HQ voiced his frustrations with it all and basically blamed California's strict eligibility requirements for the problem, but he isn't able to do anything about it on his end since the state is the gatekeeper. The reason it does not qualify for the program is because it has to have an all electric range of 30 miles and it just falls short on paper. I told Frank he should let his dealerships know that they shouldn't be promising people carpool lane stickers. That is a very big deal out here to have with all of the crazy traffic, and one of the reasons I bought the Jeep in the first place. As much as I still love my 4xe, all the reasons for me spending the extra $$ thinking I was getting some back later have all gone out the window. Fingers crossed that I will be able to get the federal $7500 rebate. I was also still able to get the $1500 point of sale rebate that I didn't read about until days after buying the Jeep. They were supposed to deduct that from the price when I was signing my life away. When I went back into the dealer days later to ask for the rebate, they weren't even aware of it and asked where I learned of it and I said "Ummm on Jeep.com??" and they were apologetic and gave it to me. So make sure to read the fine print and stay on top of it, because nobody else is. Good luck!
That's a bummer, man
Rule of thumb - if our car qualified for HOV they would have filed application at the dealer's. That's how it worked with my two previous PHEVs.
I would honestly blame both parties. Jeep, IMO, could've done a better job on battery selection and have one capable of 40+ miles, at least.
 

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To any other CA 4xe owners out there, do you feel my pain? When I purchased my 4xe back in April, the dealership told me that it qualified for the Carpool lane sticker for 2 years. On top of that, there are several rebates listed on the Jeep.com website about state and local rebates. After dozens of calls to Jeep HQ and digging up info from the Clean Air Resources Board (CARB), it turns out that the 4xe does not qualify for the carpool lane sticker or for the LADWP rebates on Residential Level 2 chargers. The program is supposed to reimburse up to $500 for a charging station, and it looks like the Mopar one runs for about $600. Frank at Jeep HQ voiced his frustrations with it all and basically blamed California's strict eligibility requirements for the problem, but he isn't able to do anything about it on his end since the state is the gatekeeper. The reason it does not qualify for the program is because it has to have an all electric range of 30 miles and it just falls short on paper. I told Frank he should let his dealerships know that they shouldn't be promising people carpool lane stickers. That is a very big deal out here to have with all of the crazy traffic, and one of the reasons I bought the Jeep in the first place. As much as I still love my 4xe, all the reasons for me spending the extra $$ thinking I was getting some back later have all gone out the window. Fingers crossed that I will be able to get the federal $7500 rebate. I was also still able to get the $1500 point of sale rebate that I didn't read about until days after buying the Jeep. They were supposed to deduct that from the price when I was signing my life away. When I went back into the dealer days later to ask for the rebate, they weren't even aware of it and asked where I learned of it and I said "Ummm on Jeep.com??" and they were apologetic and gave it to me. So make sure to read the fine print and stay on top of it, because nobody else is. Good luck!
Thanks for your post. I had checked the CARB site a while back and did not see the 4XE but thought it was just a dated list awaiting update for this new ride. My dealer also said it would qualify and so I have an order in. Based on you post I went back again to check and still not there. Upon further reading I do see the 30-mile EPA electric range requirement, which the 4XE does not meet. Trying to decide if this is a deal breaker for me, because as you note HOV is a big deal here in SoCal traffic. Appreciate the heads up.
 

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Thanks for your post. I had checked the CARB site a while back and did not see the 4XE but thought it was just a dated list awaiting update for this new ride. My dealer also said it would qualify and so I have an order in. Based on you post I went back again to check and still not there. Upon further reading I do see the 30-mile EPA electric range requirement, which the 4XE does not meet. Trying to decide if this is a deal breaker for me, because as you note HOV is a big deal here in SoCal traffic. Appreciate the heads up.
Agreed. I also thought a PHEV was automatically HOV qualified. I'm not sure if it's a deal breaker for me necessarily. If you already ordered it presumably with $1K deposit, won't you lose deposit if you change your mind?
 

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Agreed. I also thought a PHEV was automatically HOV qualified. I'm not sure if it's a deal breaker for me necessarily. If you already ordered it presumably with $1K deposit, won't you lose deposit if you change your mind?
My dealer waived any deposit. He said it will see regardless, so more of a hassle (I do realize that it can open me up to risk, but I found him on another Jeep forum and heard he was legit). He's trying to confirm the eligibility for me, but I already know the answer. :(
 

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My dealer waived any deposit. He said it will see regardless, so more of a hassle (I do realize that it can open me up to risk, but I found him on another Jeep forum and heard he was legit). He's trying to confirm the eligibility for me, but I already know the answer. :(
Did you get a VIN assigned to your name? If so, you're good.
 

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To any other CA 4xe owners out there, do you feel my pain? When I purchased my 4xe back in April, the dealership told me that it qualified for the Carpool lane sticker for 2 years. On top of that, there are several rebates listed on the Jeep.com website about state and local rebates. After dozens of calls to Jeep HQ and digging up info from the Clean Air Resources Board (CARB), it turns out that the 4xe does not qualify for the carpool lane sticker or for the LADWP rebates on Residential Level 2 chargers. The program is supposed to reimburse up to $500 for a charging station, and it looks like the Mopar one runs for about $600. Frank at Jeep HQ voiced his frustrations with it all and basically blamed California's strict eligibility requirements for the problem, but he isn't able to do anything about it on his end since the state is the gatekeeper. The reason it does not qualify for the program is because it has to have an all electric range of 30 miles and it just falls short on paper. I told Frank he should let his dealerships know that they shouldn't be promising people carpool lane stickers. That is a very big deal out here to have with all of the crazy traffic, and one of the reasons I bought the Jeep in the first place. As much as I still love my 4xe, all the reasons for me spending the extra $$ thinking I was getting some back later have all gone out the window. Fingers crossed that I will be able to get the federal $7500 rebate. I was also still able to get the $1500 point of sale rebate that I didn't read about until days after buying the Jeep. They were supposed to deduct that from the price when I was signing my life away. When I went back into the dealer days later to ask for the rebate, they weren't even aware of it and asked where I learned of it and I said "Ummm on Jeep.com??" and they were apologetic and gave it to me. So make sure to read the fine print and stay on top of it, because nobody else is. Good luck!
It's a $7500 Federal tax credit, not a rebate. It will offset Federal tax owed. If your tax liability is less than that, you will only get whatever it is.
 

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To any other CA 4xe owners out there, do you feel my pain? When I purchased my 4xe back in April, the dealership told me that it qualified for the Carpool lane sticker for 2 years. On top of that, there are several rebates listed on the Jeep.com website about state and local rebates. After dozens of calls to Jeep HQ and digging up info from the Clean Air Resources Board (CARB), it turns out that the 4xe does not qualify for the carpool lane sticker or for the LADWP rebates on Residential Level 2 chargers. The program is supposed to reimburse up to $500 for a charging station, and it looks like the Mopar one runs for about $600. Frank at Jeep HQ voiced his frustrations with it all and basically blamed California's strict eligibility requirements for the problem, but he isn't able to do anything about it on his end since the state is the gatekeeper. The reason it does not qualify for the program is because it has to have an all electric range of 30 miles and it just falls short on paper. I told Frank he should let his dealerships know that they shouldn't be promising people carpool lane stickers. That is a very big deal out here to have with all of the crazy traffic, and one of the reasons I bought the Jeep in the first place. As much as I still love my 4xe, all the reasons for me spending the extra $$ thinking I was getting some back later have all gone out the window. Fingers crossed that I will be able to get the federal $7500 rebate. I was also still able to get the $1500 point of sale rebate that I didn't read about until days after buying the Jeep. They were supposed to deduct that from the price when I was signing my life away. When I went back into the dealer days later to ask for the rebate, they weren't even aware of it and asked where I learned of it and I said "Ummm on Jeep.com??" and they were apologetic and gave it to me. So make sure to read the fine print and stay on top of it, because nobody else is. Good luck!
Strange - the 4XE isn't on the CARB list of eligible vehicles, supposedly because the all-electric range is too low, but my current ride (BMW 530e PHEV) is on there, with its all-electric range of 20 miles.
 

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I live in California but will be buying out of state because California dealers are charging over sticker. I can get a better deal from an Idaho dealer, even though I can't get the rebate. It sucks about the HOV lane but there's still so much going for this vehicle. It's one of two vehicles that qualifies for both a 179 deduction and $7500 tax credit.
 

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I live in California but will be buying out of state because California dealers are charging over sticker. I can get a better deal from an Idaho dealer, even though I can't get the rebate. It sucks about the HOV lane but there's still so much going for this vehicle. It's one of two vehicles that qualifies for both a 179 deduction and $7500 tax credit.
I also live in Socal and Im interested in the 4XE specifically for the Section 179 and $7500 Tax Credit - I will be using this vehicle 100% for my S Corp biz but upon further investigation, it seems California doesn't conform to the IRC rules on Section 179 (only up to $25k) and no bonus deprecation is allowed either - Im confused if this means you can deduct the entire cost of purchase on your Federal Tax return but only deduct only up to $25000 on State Tax returns?
 

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I also live in Socal and Im interested in the 4XE specifically for the Section 179 and $7500 Tax Credit - I will be using this vehicle 100% for my S Corp biz but upon further investigation, it seems California doesn't conform to the IRC rules on Section 179 (only up to $25k) and no bonus deprecation is allowed either - Im confused if this means you can deduct the entire cost of purchase on your Federal Tax return but only deduct only up to $25000 on State Tax returns?
It's NOT a CA thing, sec 179 is federal. The 4xe is considered a passenger vehicle (not commercial like a cargo van or transport van) and less than 6000 lbs. So the deduction is even less than $25000.
 

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It's NOT a CA thing, sec 179 is federal. The 4xe is considered a passenger vehicle (not commercial like a cargo van or transport van) and less than 6000 lbs. So the deduction is even less than $25000.
I understand Section 179 is a Federal code but there is also a State consideration when doing taxes at the end of the year, that was my question as CA does not conform to all IRC codes. btw Jeep actually has a dedicated page on Section 179 and clearly advertises the 4XE as one of the models that qualifies for this Section 179 tax break - as do all other car manufactures that cross the 6000ib weight limit
2021 FIRST YEAR DEPRECIATION LIMITS

UP TO 100% OF THE TOTAL PURCHASE PRICE DEDUCTION( Disclosure1)PER VEHICLE

GLADIATOR:

• Rubicon
• All models with available Max Tow Package (AJQ)
• Mojave
• All models with 3.0L EcoDiesel V6 engine (EXJ)

GRAND CHEROKEE:
• Laredo
• Limited
• Trailhawk®
• Overland
• Summit
• SRT®
• Trackhawk®

WRANGLER:
• Rubicon with available 3.0L EcoDiesel V6 engine
• All Wrangler 4xe models
 

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I understand Section 179 is a Federal code but there is also a State consideration when doing taxes at the end of the year, that was my question as CA does not conform to all IRC codes. btw Jeep actually has a dedicated page on Section 179 and clearly advertises the 4XE as one of the models that qualifies for this Section 179 tax break - as do all other car manufactures that cross the 6000ib weight limit
I didn't realize 4xe is more than 6000lb. I did a google search, it says 5222 lbs, but Jeep.com list it at 6400lb (Rubi 4xe). But still the Jeep website might be out of date. According to IRS website Publication 946 (2020), How To Depreciate Property | Internal Revenue Service, for 2021:

Section 179 deduction dollar limits. For tax years beginning in 2021, the maximum section 179 expense deduction is $1,050,000. This limit is reduced by the amount by which the cost of section 179 property placed in service during the tax year exceeds $2,620,000.Also, the maximum section 179 expense deduction for sport utility vehicles placed in service in tax years beginning in 2021 is $26,200.

To get 100% deduction, it needs to be categorized as Business Vehicle and according to Section 179 Deduction for Trucks / Vehicles | Section179.Org it needs to be a cargo van (no seats behind driver) or transport van with 9+ seats.

I believe in 2018/19, the rule was more relaxed, you could deduct 100%. I remember when I did my taxes for 2019, I had a choice to write off up to 100% of my Model X (>6000lbs) using Sec 179.

But don't take my word for it. This is my understanding which could be wrong.
 

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I didn't realize 4xe is more than 6000lb. I did a google search, it says 5222 lbs, but Jeep.com list it at 6400lb (Rubi 4xe). But still the Jeep website might be out of date. According to IRS website Publication 946 (2020), How To Depreciate Property | Internal Revenue Service, for 2021:

Section 179 deduction dollar limits. For tax years beginning in 2021, the maximum section 179 expense deduction is $1,050,000. This limit is reduced by the amount by which the cost of section 179 property placed in service during the tax year exceeds $2,620,000.Also, the maximum section 179 expense deduction for sport utility vehicles placed in service in tax years beginning in 2021 is $26,200.

To get 100% deduction, it needs to be categorized as Business Vehicle and according to Section 179 Deduction for Trucks / Vehicles | Section179.Org it needs to be a cargo van (no seats behind driver) or transport van with 9+ seats.

I believe in 2018/19, the rule was more relaxed, you could deduct 100%. I remember when I did my taxes for 2019, I had a choice to write off up to 100% of my Model X (>6000lbs) using Sec 179.

But don't take my word for it. This is my understanding which could be wrong.
The 4xe does weigh about 5300 lbs stock.


The number over 6k is the GVWR.
 

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To any other CA 4xe owners out there, do you feel my pain? When I purchased my 4xe back in April, the dealership told me that it qualified for the Carpool lane sticker for 2 years. On top of that, there are several rebates listed on the Jeep.com website about state and local rebates. After dozens of calls to Jeep HQ and digging up info from the Clean Air Resources Board (CARB), it turns out that the 4xe does not qualify for the carpool lane sticker or for the LADWP rebates on Residential Level 2 chargers. The program is supposed to reimburse up to $500 for a charging station, and it looks like the Mopar one runs for about $600. Frank at Jeep HQ voiced his frustrations with it all and basically blamed California's strict eligibility requirements for the problem, but he isn't able to do anything about it on his end since the state is the gatekeeper. The reason it does not qualify for the program is because it has to have an all electric range of 30 miles and it just falls short on paper. I told Frank he should let his dealerships know that they shouldn't be promising people carpool lane stickers. That is a very big deal out here to have with all of the crazy traffic, and one of the reasons I bought the Jeep in the first place. As much as I still love my 4xe, all the reasons for me spending the extra $$ thinking I was getting some back later have all gone out the window. Fingers crossed that I will be able to get the federal $7500 rebate. I was also still able to get the $1500 point of sale rebate that I didn't read about until days after buying the Jeep. They were supposed to deduct that from the price when I was signing my life away. When I went back into the dealer days later to ask for the rebate, they weren't even aware of it and asked where I learned of it and I said "Ummm on Jeep.com??" and they were apologetic and gave it to me. So make sure to read the fine print and stay on top of it, because nobody else is. Good luck!
The ideal way to get the Fed and CA rebates off the top is to lease it - otherwise, need to file the $7500 from the Feds on next year's taxes and submit the request to the state of CA for the $750 (not sure how looooong that will take...) - and yes, on the CARB site, the 4xe is not listed as a vehicle that gets the carpool sticker, was also bummed about that but... the 4xe is still a blast,
 
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