As I am preparing to order my Rubicon 4Xe I was wondering what everybody's thoughts were in regard to the 4Xe holding its value. One of the best things about jeeps is their ability to hold their value. I am trading in a 2018 JLUR and my trade 3 yrs later with 43K miles is only 7K less than I paid for it brand new. I haven't been able to find any official residual values listed anywhere. Does the hybrid technology help or hurt the residual value or is it a non factor?
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Seems like a bit of an unknown. I’ve decided that I’m just going to drive it and enjoy it. I plan on this being a 10 to 15 year vehicle so I’m not terribly focused on resale.
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Like @Wrangler4XEFan, I think its tough to say.
BUT my guess is that there will be uncertainty around the 4xe initially and that should negatively impact its value. Over time that will change as people warm up to it and as charging infrastructure grows. The only thing that could impact that is if Jeep or one of its suppliers messed up something in a big way.
Like @Wrangler4XEFan, I think its tough to say.
BUT my guess is that there will be uncertainty around the 4xe initially and that should negatively impact its value. Over time that will change as people warm up to it and as charging infrastructure grows. The only thing that could impact that is if Jeep or one of its suppliers messed up something in a big way.
The issue is no one knows how long the batteries will last, even Jeep at this point. We can expect about a 30% degradation in usable power over some period of time (usually 6-8 years of normal use), the warranty will generally be a good indicator of what to expect. Degradation is a lithium ion battery is normal and from what Tesla has learned thus far, the battery degrades about 30% and then levels off and stays there. As long as you don't get chemistry changes around the anodes, the battery may go for many years.
My Volt degraded about 30% but because GM over built the battery (16kWh with 10kWh usable) I never noticed it in lost range. The 4xE battery is fully usable (except for about 15%) so the degradation will be more noticable. The secret to long battery life is to never discharge it all the way and manage the heat effectively. Jeep says they have over a million and a half miles on the drive train so they are still learning too.
The battery is probably a $2500-3500 item right now (assuming $157 / kwh plus packaging) and if a good rebuild market develops it should be cheaper than that out a few years. Those of us (including me) hoped that a rebuild market would develop for the Volt, but it didn't. A GM rebuild is around $6000 without install and chemistry issues are starting to show up in generation 1 Volt's.
It's going to impact resale value, it's just nobody knows how much yet. A lot depends on how healthy a market for BEV and PHEV's really becomes.
My Volt degraded about 30% but because GM over built the battery (16kWh with 10kWh usable) I never noticed it in lost range. The 4xE battery is fully usable (except for about 15%) so the degradation will be more noticable. The secret to long battery life is to never discharge it all the way and manage the heat effectively. Jeep says they have over a million and a half miles on the drive train so they are still learning too.
The battery is probably a $2500-3500 item right now (assuming $157 / kwh plus packaging) and if a good rebuild market develops it should be cheaper than that out a few years. Those of us (including me) hoped that a rebuild market would develop for the Volt, but it didn't. A GM rebuild is around $6000 without install and chemistry issues are starting to show up in generation 1 Volt's.
It's going to impact resale value, it's just nobody knows how much yet. A lot depends on how healthy a market for BEV and PHEV's really becomes.
I am with TBull52, curious on resale, in the sense that I may want to trade up in a few years to the Magneto if it comes out (Just something about a standard electric Jeep). Though, if I remember correctly, the other impact is the 7,500 federal tax rebate. Since people got money back, the resale also took the same hit. At lease that is what I saw when I was shopping for my Volt. It may not impact Jeeps
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One thing about the 4XE is that while it's a new product, it's not a new concept. PHEVs have been around for a while. Some people fully understand PHEVs and have been driving them for years and some people still have no idea what a PHEV is. There's the adoption curve. Just recently had a conversation with a friend of my son who bought a Cmax Energi and had no idea why they would need to plug it in. There will people that will still receive the 4XE as a "new" technology in 5 years and maybe beyond.
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John G - I had a Volt as well and leased it, just like I leased my 4XE. That way if I don't like it or it tanks in value, it's not a huge deal. Ironically, my 4XE lease is cheaper then my Volt was! I've been dying for a AWD PHEV with off roading capability and 8 years later... finally here... I do have a Tesla as well...
FWIW - as you are aware, the $45k MSRP Volt at least end was worth about $12k trade-in and if I bought it at least end it was $22k. Obviously it went back to Ally. It's possible the Jeep could do something similar, but no one knows just yet. Part of it depends on what else is out there, what else has the capability, and how reliable they are. One would hope that Jeep put in a robust battery management system as Nissan learned, a weak one leads to fast battery degradation.
FWIW - as you are aware, the $45k MSRP Volt at least end was worth about $12k trade-in and if I bought it at least end it was $22k. Obviously it went back to Ally. It's possible the Jeep could do something similar, but no one knows just yet. Part of it depends on what else is out there, what else has the capability, and how reliable they are. One would hope that Jeep put in a robust battery management system as Nissan learned, a weak one leads to fast battery degradation.
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The lease residuals on Wranglers are insane. They just retain so much value, even more so with the more entry/mid-level models, and while the 4xe is new, it definitely benefited from the "Jeep thing" 
Our lease on the 4xe is ~$150 less than the DD/RT it replaces and it has an MSRP that's ~$5K higher. Obviously the $7500 tax credit right up front was a factor, but the RV being like 12-13% higher was also a major impact (on the downside, the rates on Jeeps are much higher, so we dropped more up front than we'd normally do with a lease to offset that a bit).
Side note: we got offers for almost $8000 more than the buyout of the DD/RT, so we bought it, and turned that around and had enough to cover the up front through the first year of the 4xe (and a few bucks left for a couple of beers )
Our lease on the 4xe is ~$150 less than the DD/RT it replaces and it has an MSRP that's ~$5K higher. Obviously the $7500 tax credit right up front was a factor, but the RV being like 12-13% higher was also a major impact (on the downside, the rates on Jeeps are much higher, so we dropped more up front than we'd normally do with a lease to offset that a bit).
Side note: we got offers for almost $8000 more than the buyout of the DD/RT, so we bought it, and turned that around and had enough to cover the up front through the first year of the 4xe (and a few bucks left for a couple of beers
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I'll jump in with a thought- GREAT vehicle to lease due to instant tax credit and high residuals. I'm not sure I'd buy one given the aforementioned battery degradation and limited range to begin with.....If I were going to buy a Wrangler, I'd do eco diesel or 6 cyl.....or wait for Magneto,just my 2 cents.
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I sold my Sahara 4xe 2021 (purchased in October 2021) for a 2022 Sahara 4xe. MSRP on the 2021 was 54,500 and I sold it for $51,500 in August 2022 when picking up my 2022. That doesn't factor in any state/federal tax credits and I didn't pay sticker for either vehicle.
I am nervous about the value of the 2022 if/when I trade it in but I have to imagine that heavily depends on the market at the time of trade in. On the other hand, I've NEVER traded in a vehicle after less than 3 years of ownership so this is new territory for me. I foolishly spent money on new tires and the hot heads headliner...which didn't increase the resale value by ANYTHING. Dealers do not care about accessories AND upgrades on the vehicle at the time of sale add very little to the resale value...that's from several dealers as well as personal experience. Upgrades have very little impact on any vehicle period as KBB and the vSale application (buyers buy this to get an actual real time value of the wholesale value of the vehicle) do not factor in those add-ons.
Lots of information but hopefully it helps others.
Forgot to add that most dealers are now saying there is a 3 month lag in KBB values.
I am nervous about the value of the 2022 if/when I trade it in but I have to imagine that heavily depends on the market at the time of trade in. On the other hand, I've NEVER traded in a vehicle after less than 3 years of ownership so this is new territory for me. I foolishly spent money on new tires and the hot heads headliner...which didn't increase the resale value by ANYTHING. Dealers do not care about accessories AND upgrades on the vehicle at the time of sale add very little to the resale value...that's from several dealers as well as personal experience. Upgrades have very little impact on any vehicle period as KBB and the vSale application (buyers buy this to get an actual real time value of the wholesale value of the vehicle) do not factor in those add-ons.
Lots of information but hopefully it helps others.
Forgot to add that most dealers are now saying there is a 3 month lag in KBB values.
3 months may not be accurate, but KBB is definitely a lagging indicator, as it's looking at previous auction values, etc to establish pricing. Over the past year or two when values have been highly volatile, kbb has consistently been a month or two behind actual market values.
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Thanks...that's really good to know. Is vSale more accurate? Assuming the dealer is willing to share that value.
I sold my 2021 Sahara for $51,500 in August when KBB was $54,000. I just looked it up and it's $49,000 so the dealer was right.
Also, it seems like used car prices are starting to come down FAST. I assume that means inventory is starting to improve? I was able to go on the lot and pick up the 2022 which would have been impossible on the 2021. A friend of mine ordered a 2023 Ford F150 and the dealer told him to expect 9 months for delivery.
I sold my 2021 Sahara for $51,500 in August when KBB was $54,000. I just looked it up and it's $49,000 so the dealer was right.
Also, it seems like used car prices are starting to come down FAST. I assume that means inventory is starting to improve? I was able to go on the lot and pick up the 2022 which would have been impossible on the 2021. A friend of mine ordered a 2023 Ford F150 and the dealer told him to expect 9 months for delivery.
Best bet is you can find someone with access to auction results if you want the most real time values, otherwise, I'd just be getting quotes from as many sources as possible before agreeing to a trade/sale value. There are a lot of online dealers that'll purchase these days, making it easy to get a dozen different quotes or so in under an hour.
New inventory is getting a little better, but not hugely better. Higher interest rates, the reality of inflation, etc, seems to be bringing demand down a bit though.
New inventory is getting a little better, but not hugely better. Higher interest rates, the reality of inflation, etc, seems to be bringing demand down a bit though.
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Great call! People in NY, like myself, are kind of locked in to making a trade-in vs private party sale because NY doesn't tax the value of the vehicle being traded in...saving people 8.75% on the value of the trade in. If you sell your vehicle to a private party or different dealership, it would have to be at least 8.75% more just to break even and dealerships.
But to your point, having information on trade in values from other dealerships will help when at the negotiation table.
But to your point, having information on trade in values from other dealerships will help when at the negotiation table.
Exactly. Sometimes its less a out finding someone else to sell to and just gathering the information.
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