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I'm a "Jeep Guy". I didn't buy the 4xe because it was a hybrid. I bought it for the 475ftlbs of torque and 375hp. Which is the same torque and 100hp less than the 392. The talk of the extra weight from the battery didn't scare me at all. I was actually thinking it would perform better off road with the added weight to the back. Counter weight to the engine, keeps your ass on the ground. You cant listen to all these EV'ers on the forums and social media, they have no experience with the 4xe. I immediately went 4-wheeling strait from the dealer. I broke the passenger mirror and dented the tailgate on day 1 of ownership. After that I knew what I wanted for modifications. I ripped it apart on day 2. Cut crap off to make stuff fit and wa-la. 3.5" Teraflex lift and 35" tires with Falcon aDapt shocks. I beat the crap out of it in Moab, UT on the Jeep Badge of honor trails and 8,750mi later still performs like new. I defiantly had to retorque suspension and steering bolts but your supposed to do that on every vehicle after the break-in period. The fact the it had electric power was a bonus for me. I did Hells Revenge in All Electric in 4L and it performed better than any of my other Jeeps. It just flawlessly dominated a 8-10 level trail. No gas or brake......it crawled on its own and regen brake going down. In silence I "mapped the earth" hearing noting but rocks crunching, birds chirping, rivers running and the occasional side-by-side buzzing up behind me. The problem is people are looking for EV comparability. That's not what Jeep was doing here, strictly upgrading an already off road capable machine. It was made for Jeep enthusiasts not for EV'ers. This is our family car and everyday driver. Im a single dad of three 6,7,and 8yrs of age. I'm no soccer mom!!!
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Totally agree with you! That’s a great testament to the build of this vehicle.
I also believe that however or whatever your reason for buying is, it’s ok to use how you wish. Hell, if you are a soccer mom and want a Rubicon with all the bells and whistles to drive around town in? Good for you! That’s your right, you paid for it and can use it however you want.
 

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@eLECTRICON love your posts. I've been following you on other forums. I just ordered my Rubicon 4xe and intend to mimic some of your mods as well as beat it to hell on the trails in CO, UT and AZ. My crew will be 8 and 11 yo girls. See you out there sometime hopefully ~
 

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@eLECTRICON love your posts. I've been following you on other forums. I just ordered my Rubicon 4xe and intend to mimic some of your mods as well as beat it to hell on the trails in CO, UT and AZ. My crew will be 8 and 11 yo girls. See you out there sometime hopefully ~
Thanks! I want to go back to all three of those places! Be safe my friend! 🙏
 

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Love the post… I feel the same way… I used to have a built JK and it just didn’t check enough boxes for the family.

Off road in complete silence is an experience I look forward to doing more, I don’t think I will ever own an 100% EV for backcountry however. I do foresee my canam XRS going all electric in a few years and me hauling a 200kw battery in the back of my F250 to recharge it, the pedal to ground torque efficiency makes you legitimately feel like a better dirt driver/drifter in so many ways.

I’ve been saving the EV for areas I like to dirt drive…though sometimes my ev-save doesn’t seem to activate and I have to do it more than once. To me this means when I'm given the chance to after market upgrade this battery technology/range in 5 years I will…I got the 10/100k ESP because it was only $2500 and that seemed reasonable.

EV enthusiasts have a lot of opinions, but now that we all are getting some form of an EV I’m starting to realize most ppl have a pretty superficial relationship with automobiles… Wrangler ppl have a genuine interest in their cars… Im looking forward to the future when all the ‘usual’ gear heads instead of telling us how to get 5more lbs of boost will know how to regulate voltage and how to regen a battery with a winch :)

I actually have a Volvo XC90 PHEV…yes they have a bit smoother drive train but that’s mostly because it’s muted by the weight, air ride and 1000 lbs of insulation.

So kudos to Jeep… this Ford fan boy was set to deliver a Bronco this month and this quickly changed my mind. Ford has fixed a lot of the annoying bits but this was a game changer for justifying taking up one of my garage space. They did a terrible job marketing the 4XE… no one knew it was coming… but I predict it will drive its own success. Yes it may brick itself one day 100 miles from anywhere but so could a Dana 30 axle ;)

High density PHEV is my choice everyday and all day over full electric… we can have our cake and eat it too.

IMO Jeep’s weakness is not preparing their service network to work on these, they should have done what Tesla did when it started and make regional hubs with ppl that actually know what they are doing… unacceptable service turn around times.

I feel like what Jeep did here was give me all the excuses I needed to convince my wife and still keep my pickup, easy parking, 7500 tax credit, work commuter EV, no death wobble(yet), doesn't feel dangerous trying to pass anymore. She still holds the crash test rating "no curtain airbags" over me mainly because Bronco addressed that.
 

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I'm a "Jeep Guy". I didn't buy the 4xe because it was a hybrid. I bought it for the 475ftlbs of torque and 375hp. Which is the same torque and 100hp less than the 392. The talk of the extra weight from the battery didn't scare me at all. I was actually thinking it would perform better off road with the added weight to the back. Counter weight to the engine, keeps your ass on the ground. You cant listen to all these EV'ers on the forums and social media, they have no experience with the 4xe. I immediately went 4-wheeling strait from the dealer. I broke the passenger mirror and dented the tailgate on day 1 of ownership. After that I knew what I wanted for modifications. I ripped it apart on day 2. Cut crap off to make stuff fit and wa-la. 3.5" Teraflex lift and 35" tires with Falcon aDapt shocks. I beat the crap out of it in Moab, UT on the Jeep Badge of honor trails and 8,750mi later still performs like new. I defiantly had to retorque suspension and steering bolts but your supposed to do that on every vehicle after the break-in period. The fact the it had electric power was a bonus for me. I did Hells Revenge in All Electric in 4L and it performed better than any of my other Jeeps. It just flawlessly dominated a 8-10 level trail. No gas or brake......it crawled on its own and regen brake going down. In silence I "mapped the earth" hearing noting but rocks crunching, birds chirping, rivers running and the occasional side-by-side buzzing up behind me. The problem is people are looking for EV comparability. That's not what Jeep was doing here, strictly upgrading an already off road capable machine. It was made for Jeep enthusiasts not for EV'ers. This is our family car and everyday driver. Im a single dad of three 6,7,and 8yrs of age. I'm no soccer mom!!! View attachment 1224
Love seeing the 4xe getting really used! Any good online resources pointing to places to torque for steering and suspension? Would be nice peace of mind to put a torque wrench on each after reading others issues with loose bolts.
 

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… Im looking forward to the future when all the ‘usual’ gear heads instead of telling us how to get 5more lbs of boost will know how to regulate voltage and how to regen a battery with a winch :)
This… and I don’t think we are too far off from that either. Considering how there was almost no marketing of the 4xe, but sales skyrocketed on their own, I think it is a good indication the market really wants to see this space develop. What starts off as niche communities can rapidly turn into mass market appeal. Everyone from you tubers to journalists to manufacturers are driven by data and clicks today. As interest climbs, it feeds the snowball.
 

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I have never done off-roading before getting my 4xe (other than growing up in the sticks in the foothills of the rockies, lots of offroading by default up there, but never had a serious 4x). I took my jeep off-road literally on day one, on way home from the dealer, and got it mudded up right away. I have been out at least 1x a week since, including some fairly hairy stuff. I went out with a buddy who is a serious long term off-roader, and he has a Toyota FJ, lifted and modded, and he was just repeatedly blown away by what this bone-stock 4xe can do (much of which his FJ could not). Yesterday I crawled a gully that had stopped two polaris's cold. I am getting in trouble on the regular because I am clearing obstacles that turn other vehicles around, then the trail pretty much peters out (heavy undergrowth in the PNW, any serious trails = pinstriping) I don't have enough background to say "is the stock 4xe Rubicon ready to offroad?" but I have several 100 hard trail miles under her (stock 33") tires and zero problems. Here's yesterday crawling mine creek in Washington State (photo is at our lunch stop just before the video was shot)..

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I have never done off-roading before getting my 4xe (other than growing up in the sticks in the foothills of the rockies, lots of offroading by default up there, but never had a serious 4x). I took my jeep off-road literally on day one, on way home from the dealer, and got it mudded up right away. I have been out at least 1x a week since, including some fairly hairy stuff. I went out with a buddy who is a serious long term off-roader, and he has a Toyota FJ, lifted and modded, and he was just repeatedly blown away by what this bone-stock 4xe can do (much of which his FJ could not). Yesterday I crawled a gully that had stopped two polaris's cold. I am getting in trouble on the regular because I am clearing obstacles that turn other vehicles around, then the trail pretty much peters out (heavy undergrowth in the PNW, any serious trails = pinstriping) I don't have enough background to say "is the stock 4xe Rubicon ready to offroad?" but I have several 100 hard trail miles under her (stock 33") tires and zero problems. Here's yesterday crawling mine creek in Washington State (photo is at our lunch stop just before the video was shot)..

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I'm a "Jeep Guy". I didn't buy the 4xe because it was a hybrid. I bought it for the 475ftlbs of torque and 375hp. Which is the same torque and 100hp less than the 392. The talk of the extra weight from the battery didn't scare me at all. I was actually thinking it would perform better off road with the added weight to the back. Counter weight to the engine, keeps your ass on the ground. You cant listen to all these EV'ers on the forums and social media, they have no experience with the 4xe. I immediately went 4-wheeling strait from the dealer. I broke the passenger mirror and dented the tailgate on day 1 of ownership. After that I knew what I wanted for modifications. I ripped it apart on day 2. Cut crap off to make stuff fit and wa-la. 3.5" Teraflex lift and 35" tires with Falcon aDapt shocks. I beat the crap out of it in Moab, UT on the Jeep Badge of honor trails and 8,750mi later still performs like new. I defiantly had to retorque suspension and steering bolts but your supposed to do that on every vehicle after the break-in period. The fact the it had electric power was a bonus for me. I did Hells Revenge in All Electric in 4L and it performed better than any of my other Jeeps. It just flawlessly dominated a 8-10 level trail. No gas or brake......it crawled on its own and regen brake going down. In silence I "mapped the earth" hearing noting but rocks crunching, birds chirping, rivers running and the occasional side-by-side buzzing up behind me. The problem is people are looking for EV comparability. That's not what Jeep was doing here, strictly upgrading an already off road capable machine. It was made for Jeep enthusiasts not for EV'ers. This is our family car and everyday driver. Im a single dad of three 6,7,and 8yrs of age. I'm no soccer mom!!! View attachment 1224
Super cool! We have zero experience 4x4’ing and this is our first Jeep. Anyone else around Portland who wants to meet up amd ride some trails?
 

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I'm a "Jeep Guy". I didn't buy the 4xe because it was a hybrid. I bought it for the 475ftlbs of torque and 375hp. Which is the same torque and 100hp less than the 392. The talk of the extra weight from the battery didn't scare me at all. I was actually thinking it would perform better off road with the added weight to the back. Counter weight to the engine, keeps your ass on the ground. You cant listen to all these EV'ers on the forums and social media, they have no experience with the 4xe. I immediately went 4-wheeling strait from the dealer. I broke the passenger mirror and dented the tailgate on day 1 of ownership. After that I knew what I wanted for modifications. I ripped it apart on day 2. Cut crap off to make stuff fit and wa-la. 3.5" Teraflex lift and 35" tires with Falcon aDapt shocks. I beat the crap out of it in Moab, UT on the Jeep Badge of honor trails and 8,750mi later still performs like new. I defiantly had to retorque suspension and steering bolts but your supposed to do that on every vehicle after the break-in period. The fact the it had electric power was a bonus for me. I did Hells Revenge in All Electric in 4L and it performed better than any of my other Jeeps. It just flawlessly dominated a 8-10 level trail. No gas or brake......it crawled on its own and regen brake going down. In silence I "mapped the earth" hearing noting but rocks crunching, birds chirping, rivers running and the occasional side-by-side buzzing up behind me. The problem is people are looking for EV comparability. That's not what Jeep was doing here, strictly upgrading an already off road capable machine. It was made for Jeep enthusiasts not for EV'ers. This is our family car and everyday driver. Im a single dad of three 6,7,and 8yrs of age. I'm no soccer mom!!! View attachment 1224
Totally agree. Did pretty much the same, but with no mods. Moab, CO, WY, MT, etc... our goal was to cross a mountain pass on a fire road or trail going from state to state or city to city. Did it most places. It is, however, distressing to see how many former BLM or Forrest Service roads are being closed and sold to private parties. Big Sky, Montana is dead to us now. Only one decent trail that's just an in-n-out surrounded by private land. Don't bother going there, definitely NOT Jeep friendly. We missed 4 planned trails due to locked gates that my wife wouldn't let me collapse with the winch. These were through roads too!

We pushed it hard on our last trail outside of Colorado Springs and slid over some lone boulders on the trail that were impossible to avoid with wheel placement. I was a little worried about the seemingly exposed oil pan on the 2.0 engine, but then I realized I could drive out of the trail in electric mode even if I smashed all the oil out of the Jeep. It's kind of a cool concept for self rescue.
 

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Sad to hear about Montana as such. Montana has some of the nicest people you'll ever meet. Along with a few of the worst ones too. But the former outweigh the later.
 

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Sad to hear about Montana as such. Montana has some of the nicest people you'll ever meet. Along with a few of the worst ones too. But the former outweigh the later.
Virginia City is a much better home base for running trails. Big Sky seems to be a Cali relocation town.
 
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