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Electric Range of 2023 Jeep 4xe - Actual vs Advertised

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#1 ·
So, I recently upgraded from my 2018 Jeep JLU Sport S to a 2023 High Altitude Sahara 4xe. I didn't realize I needed to be a slueth to figure out the range specs. The 4xe is advertised as having 49 MPGe - or 49 Miles Per Gallon estimated. MPGe rating equates to 49 miles on 37.8 kWH of stored energy which is equivalent to 1 gallon of fuel. All the advertisements cite this as a metric for comparing it to other EV Hybrids. However, the Jeep 4xe only has a battery storage capacity of 17 kWH, which is less than 50% of the storage capacity needed to achieve the 49 MPGe. The actual electric range is 21 miles. I purchased the vehicle to save on fuel because my travel distance to work and back is approximately 11 miles round trip. I can easily achieve this, but any side trips do eat into the electric distance I have available for use.

I feel slightly misled by the advertisements. I enjoy the new vehicle and all its features; I am just disappointed that the truth about the actual range was hidden. I was expecting the ability to achieve 49 MPGe, but I did not expect it would be less than half. I paid less than sticker with taxes, title, tags and extended warranty, only having a range of 21 miles in all-electric mode does not in my mind justify the added expense to own this vehicle as a Hybrid. I would not have purchased the Hybrid had I known and understood the MPGe rating and what the vehicle could achieve.

The positive side is that the gas engine achieves approximately 25 mpg. I will post actual calculated MPG once I make my first fill-up.

Wade
 
#2 ·
I was expecting the ability to achieve 49 MPGe
I'm confused here... at 21 miles of electric range you ARE achieving 49 mpge...


Mpge is miles per gallon equivalent, stating that you can travel 49 miles on 33.7 kWh of electricity. With a 15 kWh usable battery capacity, that gives you 21 miles of range.

The window sticker literally lists the 49 mpge efficiency rating and the 21 mile electric range less than an inch apart.


It's just like the fuel economy... the wrangler is rated at 20 mpg. That doesn't mean it will only go 20 miles on a tank of gas.
 
#3 ·
There was another thread on here recently about why the industry standard came to be MPGe. It’s not a Jeep specific thing, it’s how all PHEV are marketed.

I can see how the additional cost may not be worth it for some, especially for those who no longer get any tax credits. For example, I pay about $2 to charge at home vs. around $3 / gallon to fill up, not life changing based on my driving habits. I bought it because I wanted the Jeep and the 4xe was an added bonus with the prior tax incentives. I also like the extra torque on electric so it made sense for me.
 
#4 ·
Yes, (some) dealers are quick to throw out 49mpg & not explain or mention the "e" portion of that equation. I bet most don't know anyway. If you have a relatively short commute or a charger near your work the 4xe system can be quite beneficial. I have neither, but getting an avg of 35mpg (including reserve).
 
#6 ·
It seems Jeep is masquerading the deplorable 49MPGe as if it's great, I can see how people can be easily misled by it, 49 MPGe should not be highlighted in big bold lettering on the marketing material, if it is, 20MPG should be right next to it.

49MPGe/20MPG then consumers will know someone is blowing smoke up their behinds and investigate more.
 
#9 ·
I'm not sure gob'mint dictates it must be presented this way
MPGe is a unit conceived of by the epa and required to be used on window stickers to describe the efficiency for electric use. All phevs and EVs have to show it in the US.

Yes, they don't dictate how it gets used in advertising materials, but they're responsible for the horrible unit in the first place.
 
#12 ·
you're not going to get tesla mileage, or even prius mileage, in a box shaped box that has 4WD and all the offroad goodies. BUT, you can still take a road trip and not worry about charging. if there is another (east coast) gas shortage, you an still get to and from town. You can go anywhere with maximum torque and win off the line. If there's two feet of water on the ground, no problem. If you have to drive the hilly powerline easement, no problem. If you want to go mudding, now problem. Or drive on the beach and find the wild horses, no problem. Save a few bucks on gas while you're at it? No problem. Have the most capable jeep ever? No problem. Confidence comes at a price. About an extra $10K. So if your jeep lasts 175K miles, that's an extra 6 or 7 cents per mile for amazing capabilities. And while you're at it, you can cut your fuel costs in half, which means you break even or better in the end.
 
#13 ·
Not sure what they do up there in Canada.... And I also know that part of the fun of an online forum is to gripe about stuff to get a rise out of people. But the unit was conceived by the EPA, the test protocol is the EPAs, the number is published by the EPA. On the sticker both units MPGe and MPG are side by side in the same font on the Windowsticker with the government website for more information. You get a vehicle that accelerates like a v8 but is nearly twice as efficient with a full charge, the ability to make reasonable commutes gas free.

So I am not sure what and who the problem is with... Jeep, Canada, EPA, oneself, or the laws of physics. Maybe your dealer but I can not understand the mislead comment. Misinformed maybe, lack of research, lack of understanding ..... I am not sure what one was expecting? 50 miles of range? 50 mpg always?
 
#14 ·
Two different dealers told me the Wrangler got 49mpg. I knew better & didn't even get into with them. I'm pretty sure that's the problem most people have. Salesman want to sell, most don't know squat about what they're selling anyway.
 
#15 ·
I always dismissed the mpg value on the sticker. Been dealing with them since I leased a Bolt back in 2012. Now it actually means something when you have lots of EVs out there. You can compare apples to apples on EV mileage efficiency. Makes sense that on the same amount of watts, that a Jeep would go half as far as a leaf like car.

About 1200 miles range on my E-bike on mostly flat terrain if I could tap into the Jeeps battery without carrying the weight. Which would put the E-bike around 3000 MPG.
 
#17 ·
As someone who have been driving for over 3 decades, I know the sticker MPG is BS, especially when it comes to the Wrangler, I consistently get under 15 mpg for over 30 years. I know to take marketing material with a grain of salt.

When you have the EV clowns pushing EVs are better than gas, and more efficient than gas, a people might believe a Wrangler would get 49MPG.

Two of the most unreliable people on the planet, Government and car salesmen teaming up to peddle PHEVs.
 
#18 ·
and car salesmen teaming up to peddle PHEVs.
A good place to start is to never rely on someone trying to take your money to give you objective information about what they're peddling. Information is widely available these days... if you never ask a salesman for info, you never have to guess if they have any idea what they're talking about.
 
#20 ·
Just another perspective; I have a 2021 bought second hand very few miles on it. After 6 months I’m averaging 27mpg. I drive it in Hybrid mode with 4 auto engaged. I get 22-26 miles on electric. Lots of things can impact that like HVAC, etc so that seems reasonable. Why I love it and would buy it again? Is an extra 100hp and 100lb/ft torque all with better mpg. It’s a win win win. If I wanted electric there are so many better options out there, but you can’t take the roof and doors off and drive them on the beach! I think that is what the 4xe is about. Lifestyle with a measure of practical responsibility.
 
#22 ·
Hello, the window sticker on my 4xe said 21 miles on electric only. If I keep my foot out of it I get close to 30. I push it for fun it can go into the teens.
I knew exactly what I was getting. The $7,500 federal government incentive was crucial in the decision. An economical, powerful well equipped Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara for the price of a soort. Works for me.
Enjoy your ride.
Dana
 
#26 ·
Our 2023 shows 24 mpg. At 500 miles all electric and 700 on engine . We purchased it for the additional torque. The 20 miles with engine off to church and back 3 times a week . And charging at a RV park with “ included “ electric 120v and 50 amp power when on Motorhome outings . And we do flat tow with our motorhome .
 
#27 ·
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The 4xe is advertised as having 49 MPGe - or 49 Miles Per Gallon estimated.
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While you’ve likely realized your error by now, I didn’t see where anyone specifically pointed out that MPGe is not Miles per Gallon estimated but rather Miles per Gallon equivalent.
 
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#28 ·
My Wrangler gets 36mpg based on a 32 gallon tank....

That's basically what the 49mpge is saying. It's dumb and not accurate or applicable to a vehicle that doesn't have that capacity. I understand the confusion.

I bought the 4Xe because I love the 2.0, the power output, and the potential to have a near quiet off road experience potential.
 
#30 ·
Yea never believe the sticker by itself. Do your due diligence and for goodness sake enjoy the crap out of it! My decision was based on the option of electric/hybrid modes…and increased go/torque, with decent gas mileage to boot! Plus, I can take the top and doors off and drive it on the beach! Im with you, Man!

by the way, been to Canada 3 times (Montreal, Vancouver and Ottawa) and it’s BEAUTIFUL…including the exchange rate for currency.
 
#33 ·
The auto manufacturers do it all the time, even on gas cars. My wife's car supposedly gets 30 hwy mpg. We didnt buy it for the mpg its listed right on the sticker. Well with some digging, I found that the only trim that gets that mpg is the one spec trim with the highest gear ratio. All others get 27 hwy even with the same listed engine.
 
#39 ·
Only owning for 14 days, the total range started at 350/217 (km/miles). In the first week of ownership, my electric range was 46-48 / 28-29 (km/miles) at 100%. No change after 14 days. My commute to work round trip is 28/17 (km/miles). Most time it consumes 60% of battery which leaves me with 18-20 / 11-12 (km/miles) for errands after work. I was a little heavy footed with heat on a few days ago and the range dropped fast. This Winter, I suspect the electric range will drop by 25%.

Last night went for a 3 hr 292/181 (km/miles) drive. The drive started with E-Save (BS) at 74% and 7/8 full. At the end of the drive, combined driven + combine DTE, the range came to 680/422 (km/miles) at the end of the drive. This is much better than advertised. I suspect the total range "may" increase closer to 720/447(km/miles) with a few more long drives ahead.

This is just my practice but I no longer look at the MPG as this doesn't tell me how far I can go. So now I pay more attention to the estimated range instead.