[Loops]

Anyone know if generator charging will be possible? Level 1 with the provided charging cord or even level 2 with a portable level two charger. Was pondering this when thinking about campsite charging possibilities. Also watched this which makes me think it might work:

 

[Wrangler4XEFan]

Anyone know if generator charging will be possible? Level 1 with the provided charging cord or even level 2 with a portable level two charger. Was pondering this when thinking about campsite charging possibilities. Also watched this which makes me think it might work:

It can charge off its own engine. No generator needed.

 

[Loops]

It can charge off its own engine. No generator needed.

Oh really, enough to provide you with the full power and torque band even if you get to your camp site and the battery is low? I guess the problem I’m solving for is ensuring we have full power & torque available from base camp when on the trail or towing to next location/home.

 

[Wrangler4XEFan]

Oh really, enough to provide you with the full power and torque band even if you get to your camp site and the battery is low? I guess the problem I’m solving for is ensuring we have full power & torque available from base camp when on the trail or towing to next location/home.

It has a clutch on either side of the electric motor. That can allow for the gas engine to be uncoupled from the motor for full electric driving and it can uncouple the motor from the transmission so the engine can do stand-still charging.

 

[Smokelaw1]

It has a clutch on either side of the electric motor. That can allow for the gas engine to be uncoupled from the motor for full electric driving and it can uncouple the motor from the transmission so the engine can do stand-still charging.

Chris,

do you know how this is done? Perhaps where in the manual it is mentioned?
thanks!

 

[monkeynuts]

Alternating current is what generators create, it's not the process. The process is called generation.

12 kw Portable generators are very convenient for large jobs and small projects alike. The gas-powered engine that powers the portable generator creates electricity through a process called "alternating current" (which is how almost all of us get our power). This current can then be distributed to different outlets on the generator, or even coming through cables from other sources like nearby power lines! The more powerful the generator is, generally speaking, the more places you can get your power from - as some generators may have multiple outlets that plug into various places so they can handle different types of appliances they are powering at any given moment.

 

[Tyler-98-W68]

I can't think of a more inefficient way to charge the 4xe than a generator, you would need at least a 1500w continuous generator for the level 1 charger.
Then depending on the state of charge of the HV battery, it would take a very long time to get any meaningful charge all the while you had to haul a heavy generator with you haul fuel and then use it. Totally not worth it.

Put the vehicle in e-save charge mode let it idle and put a brick on the gas pedal, you will get faster charging from the onboard charging via the ICE engine than a heavy awkward generator

 

[monkeynuts]

A generator actually might be more efficient than using e-save at idle. Not sure how to account for hauling the generator and fuel do admittedly I'm ignoring it (but 100lbs on a 5200lb vehicle won't be much anyway). But the smaller a generator the more efficient for smaller loads to a point. And because our engines are much larger than a little generator a lot of energy will be wasted just running the engine. No matter it's an extremely inefficient way of charging e-save at idle or a generator but the generator might be slightly better.

I can't think of a more inefficient way to charge the 4xe than a generator, you would need at least a 1500w continuous generator for the level 1 charger.
Then depending on the state of charge of the HV battery, it would take a very long time to get any meaningful charge all the while you had to haul a heavy generator with you haul fuel and then use it. Totally not worth it.

Put the vehicle in e-save charge mode let it idle and put a brick on the gas pedal, you will get faster charging from the onboard charging via the ICE engine than a heavy awkward generator

 

[Tyler-98-W68]

So again where are you putting that 100lb generator............not much room in a 4dr wrangler for anything other than a generator.

Then you have to contend with hauling fuel, have you ever figured out how much fuel the 4xe burns while idling? (I have)

So lets use a small generator (46lbs) and 2000w peak 1600w running as an example.

2000-Watt Inverter - Champion Power Equipment

Powering Your Life

www.championpowerequipment.com

It has a 1.1 gallon tank 1.1 gallon = 4.15L

It says it runs 11 hours at 25% load. 25% load of 1600w = 400W

Well the level 1 charger pulls approx 1500w when charging.

So we are now running the generator at nearly 100% load so now at full load we are getting maybe 2.5 hours of runtime on 4L of fuel charging at Level 1 speeds.

Or you can forget all that hassle and just let the vehicle charge in e-save mode and burn slightly more fuel

 

[monkeynuts]

I'm not saying i think it's a good idea. Nor would i bother. But if the generator were sized so that the load was closer to 40 - 50% of max it likely would be way more efficient. And fewer hours on the jeeps engine; which is WAY more expensive and way harder to replace.

So again where are you putting that 100lb generator............not much room in a 4dr wrangler for anything other than a generator.

Then you have to contend with hauling fuel, have you ever figured out how much fuel the 4xe burns while idling? (I have)

So lets use a small generator (46lbs) and 2000w peak 1600w running as an example.

2000-Watt Inverter - Champion Power Equipment

Powering Your Life

www.championpowerequipment.com

It has a 1.1 gallon tank 1.1 gallon = 4.15L

It says it runs 11 hours at 25% load. 25% load of 1600w = 400W

Well the level 1 charger pulls approx 1500w when charging.

So we are now running the generator at nearly 100% load so now at full load we are getting maybe 2.5 hours of runtime on 4L of fuel charging at Level 1 speeds.

Or you can forget all that hassle and just let the vehicle charge in e-save mode and burn slightly more fuel

 

[Tyler-98-W68]

So now we are hauling a 100lb generator around to charge the HV battery because we are afraid about replacing the ICE engine in the Jeep??????

At that point you may as well never drive your vehicle because it "might" require an engine replacement.

Can you provide me with statistics on how many 2.0 Jeep Engines have had to be replaced?

Alright so lets take a bigger generator.

3400-Watt Dual Fuel Inverter - Champion Power Equipment

Powering Your Life

www.championpowerequipment.com

So now we are 7.5 hours at a 1/4 load or 3.75 hours at half load which would be the level 1 charger output.

1.6 gallon fuel tank or 6L

3.75 hours / 6L = 1.6L per hour.

Great we are in theory saving 1L per hour spending $1000 on a generator and then the cost of fuel and again the hassle to charge a vehicle because using the ICE is "bad and might cause an expensive engine replacement"

You can charge faster simply using the ICE engine and built in charging vs once again a lot of hassle and money simply because you might be worried about an engine replacement

If we take a look at my fuel rate monitoring.........the average fuel rate......is not anymore than using a generator so again I simply ask why why why would someone go to this level of hassle.

I've wired an anderson 350 connector to my battery. I have a 1500w Pure sinewave inverter that I can plug in and run my travel trailer (everything but AC) should I go camping, i preserve the HV battery power and use that to power my trailer if I needed to

 

[monkeynuts]

I think you missed the point. Can't tell if it's intentional or accidental.

So now we are hauling a 100lb generator around to charge the HV battery because we are afraid about replacing the ICE engine in the Jeep??????

At that point you may as well never drive your vehicle because it "might" require an engine replacement.

Can you provide me with statistics on how many 2.0 Jeep Engines have had to be replaced?

Alright so lets take a bigger generator.

3400-Watt Dual Fuel Inverter - Champion Power Equipment

Powering Your Life

www.championpowerequipment.com

So now we are 7.5 hours at a 1/4 load or 3.75 hours at half load which would be the level 1 charger output.

1.6 gallon fuel tank or 6L

3.75 hours / 6L = 1.6L per hour.

Great we are in theory saving 1L per hour spending $1000 on a generator and then the cost of fuel and again the hassle to charge a vehicle because using the ICE is "bad and might cause an expensive engine replacement"

You can charge faster simply using the ICE engine and built in charging vs once again a lot of hassle and money simply because you might be worried about an engine replacement

 

[Tyler-98-W68]

And fewer hours on the jeeps engine; which is WAY more expensive and way harder to replace.

Again.........can't see how using the ICE engine this way is any difference or taxing vs just using it normally

 

[monkeynuts]

I don't know that it is. My guess is that now that more and more cars are tracking engine hours it will be another way to devalue a car. I know that Ford says every hour of idling for a police cruiser is equivalent to an hour of driving 30 MPH. And for me, who isn't interested in charging by generator at all, I would absolutely rather the hours be on my generator rather than my car - although my generator weighs 400lbs and there is no way I can lift it into my Jeep. I take way better car of my vehicles than I should. I tend not to own them long enough for the warranty to run out let alone for problems to arise but I still baby them.

Again.........can't see how using the ICE engine this way is any difference or taxing vs just using it normally