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Jeep Grand Cherokee & Wrangler PHEV Recall - Fire Hazard

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#1 ·
Jeep has announced another recall of its PHEV vehicles, the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Wrangler model years 2022-2024. Multiple news outlets have published the information, even though Stellantis hasn't notified the owners. It is a serious fire hazard risk, so serious, Jeep is advising owners, to quote NHTSA, "Owners should park their vehicles outside and away from structures and other vehicles until their vehicle has been remedied. In addition, owners should not charge unrepaired vehicles, because the risk of fire is higher in a charged battery and the risk of fire is reduced when the battery is depleted." Details can be found at by searching the NHTSA information for NHTSA campaign numbers: 24V-720 and 24E-080. The link is: Jeep Wrangler, Grand Cherokee Recall for Fire Risk | NHTSA
It is time for a bit of a rant. Yes, PHEV's and BHEV's are in their development infancy but many recalls of the Grand Cherokee 4xe in these past years are just sloppy design, workmanship, etc. I've owned Jeeps, starting with a Cherokee, for 35 years and have never experienced such troubles as these new Jeeps are cursed with. I added up all the troubles of manufacturing defects/recalls of my old Cherokee, Grand Cherokees and they were less than the new Grand Cherokee 4xe. The first Grand Cherokee 4xe was re-purchased after an oil leak in the transmission housing due to porosity. The dealership has been great with all the recall issues, and Stellantis promised to transfer the Max warranty from the re-purchased vehicle to the new model. They refused to transfer the warranty once we received the new Grand Cherokee 4xe. Stellantis moved its customer service offshore and is not nearly as effective as the onshore group. Jeep, via Stellantis, is rapidly re-defining itself as the producer of unsafe, unreliable Jeeps, with horrid customer service outside the dealerships, despite them trying to move up-market in the SUV market with the Wagoneers. The Mopar website that allows you to search for recalls via the VIN is not functional, looping you back to the database query page when you type in your VIN number. I used the NHTSA site, via VIN, to search for the recall information, which appears to not have been published for any particular vehicles. These aren't just simple recalls; these are recalls than can cause accidents (NHTSA 24V-132; pinch bolt recall) and a fire hazard which can destroy the vehicle and anything that might be parked nearby. The request, "Owners should park their vehicles outside and away from structures and other vehicles" is absurd for most, unless you live an area in the desert that has no combustibles nearby. The pinch bolt recall was nearly as an absurd a request, noting you could lose control of the vehicle while driving. Essentially, owners of these vehicles have an undrivable, shiny, scrap heap. Hey, @JeepCares! First, Jeep should fix the website so that owners can search for recalls. We used three different computers with two different operating systems and 4 different browsers to access the recall data on the Mopar site; none of them worked. Second, given the possible risk to property and human life, maybe a notice on the app would save someone's life or property, until the full recall information is defined. Third, maybe Stellantis should build storage yards with no combustible material nearby for the owners to store their vehicles and pay for the rental of a like vehicle.
 
#376 ·
I just started a case with Jeep about a buyback of the lease on my 22 Summit XE. This thing has been a disaster since the beginning. Let's see if they can make this happen without getting a lawyer involved.

How many recalls now 7 or 8?
also....
front sensors going nuts and replaced
head unit replaced
AM radio just quit
TPMS complains every time I start after a few hours of sitting until it moves. No other car I've had does this.
Drivers mirror motor broke
Transfer case failure
Clunking noise. in 3 times for that
Nav system won't show in the cluster randomly
Display just glitches out randomly
Driving down the highway with ACC on and it will just switch to the engine with plenty of battery left. If I press the button it will go right back to the battery.
There are more I just can't recall at the moment.


Kind of sad when my service advisor jokes that I should get award points for how often I'm in with an issue. Nice concept, horrible execution. I don't like being a beta tester for an $80k vehicle.
 
#379 ·
Driving down the highway with ACC on and it will just switch to the engine with plenty of battery left.
It will do this during sustained higher load conditions as the electric motor gets hot to let it cool off.
 
#377 ·
Jeep has announced another recall of its PHEV vehicles, the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Wrangler model years 2022-2024. Multiple news outlets have published the information, even though Stellantis hasn't notified the owners. It is a serious fire hazard risk, so serious, Jeep is advising owners, to quote NHTSA, "Owners should park their vehicles outside and away from structures and other vehicles until their vehicle has been remedied. In addition, owners should not charge unrepaired vehicles, because the risk of fire is higher in a charged battery and the risk of fire is reduced when the battery is depleted." Details can be found at by searching the NHTSA information for NHTSA campaign numbers: 24V-720 and 24E-080. The link is: Jeep Wrangler, Grand Cherokee Recall for Fire Risk | NHTSA
It is time for a bit of a rant. Yes, PHEV's and BHEV's are in their development infancy but many recalls of the Grand Cherokee 4xe in these past years are just sloppy design, workmanship, etc. I've owned Jeeps, starting with a Cherokee, for 35 years and have never experienced such troubles as these new Jeeps are cursed with. I added up all the troubles of manufacturing defects/recalls of my old Cherokee, Grand Cherokees and they were less than the new Grand Cherokee 4xe. The first Grand Cherokee 4xe was re-purchased after an oil leak in the transmission housing due to porosity. The dealership has been great with all the recall issues, and Stellantis promised to transfer the Max warranty from the re-purchased vehicle to the new model. They refused to transfer the warranty once we received the new Grand Cherokee 4xe. Stellantis moved its customer service offshore and is not nearly as effective as the onshore group. Jeep, via Stellantis, is rapidly re-defining itself as the producer of unsafe, unreliable Jeeps, with horrid customer service outside the dealerships, despite them trying to move up-market in the SUV market with the Wagoneers. The Mopar website that allows you to search for recalls via the VIN is not functional, looping you back to the database query page when you type in your VIN number. I used the NHTSA site, via VIN, to search for the recall information, which appears to not have been published for any particular vehicles. These aren't just simple recalls; these are recalls than can cause accidents (NHTSA 24V-132; pinch bolt recall) and a fire hazard which can destroy the vehicle and anything that might be parked nearby. The request, "Owners should park their vehicles outside and away from structures and other vehicles" is absurd for most, unless you live an area in the desert that has no combustibles nearby. The pinch bolt recall was nearly as an absurd a request, noting you could lose control of the vehicle while driving. Essentially, owners of these vehicles have an undrivable, shiny, scrap heap. Hey, @JeepCares! First, Jeep should fix the website so that owners can search for recalls. We used three different computers with two different operating systems and 4 different browsers to access the recall data on the Mopar site; none of them worked. Second, given the possible risk to property and human life, maybe a notice on the app would save someone's life or property, until the full recall information is defined. Third, maybe Stellantis should build storage yards with no combustible material nearby for the owners to store their vehicles and pay for the rental of a like vehicle.
I was able to get my correction done today!
 
#387 ·
Put this in the “take it with a grain of salt because its relying on one customer service rep”, but they gave me a bit of trouble extending my rental today because the fix for the GC is going to be out “this month”. I explained that even if it comes out early (before 1/4), 12/31 is still this month and after my current authorization expires. Got the extension and hoping they may be beating their internal estimates.
 
#391 ·
Changing the subject here a bit, but remaining within the general topic of the 95B recall, has anyone received the "$100 gas gift card"? On November 12th, I was given a gift card request number, was told my gift card is on its way, and that I would have it in 2 weeks. I suppose in Jeep-speak 2 weeks could simply mean anytime in the future.
 
#393 ·
Just got the software update "fix" and now the jeep battery depletes 2-3x faster in usage. It's almost worthless as a plug in hybrid now. I informed the dealership of the problem and they want me to bring it back in. Great, another trip into the dealership. I think whatever this software fix is, destroys the performance of the battery in the vehicle as a side effect.
 
#395 ·
I think whatever this software fix is, destroys the performance of the battery in the vehicle as a side effect.
I've seen lots of people have the recall performed and you're the first person that I have seen report anything like that. Not saying there isn't something going on with your Jeep, but that isn't the normal experience.

How much range are you getting now? Do you know that the dealership did the proper drive cycle test after updating your software?
 
#397 ·
Remember this is also winter time... battery performance will suffer when it's colder too. Give it some time.

Of course it's possible Samsung's solution to the fire problem is to reduce battery performance, but I think people need to take some time to test it out. On a warmer day... how many EV miles can you go compared to range estimator's number. If there's really a significant performance downgrade, range estimator should have its numbers lowered as well, right?

I don't see how it's possible for our cars to continue to tell us we can go 25 miles fully charged... and then we can at most travel only 10 miles. Hopefully the computer can realize its wrongness and re-evaluate itself?

Anyway, hopefully this isn't really the case...
 
#407 ·
Yeah, just fully charge it and see how many miles can you go. Elevation changes can impact our range as well... so try doing a round trip of the same route, that way all the elevation changes can be ignored.

When I'm fully charged, and I'm parked outside, around winter time it's usually showing around 22 miles of range. As everything warms up, range estimator can actually bump up that # sometimes. Our Jeep can typically go 20 miles without much issue... We can go the actual distance of 25 miles during summer time because I think the heater's taking up a lot of battery power during winter time...

Anyway, if you can do around 20 miles with a full charge, I'd consider that as good as mine! ;) Good luck!
 
#409 ·
Thanks, Ya, I am on year 3 of this Jeep with two winters under my belt. Something is very wrong with mine after the update. Our cold is mid 30's - 40 right now. I noticed it right away and found it curious and then my wife drove it and came back saying something is wrong with it now after no prompting which confirmed my short drive.
 
#416 ·
Rep didn't know if I had to bring it fully charged
If you bring it in at 100% charge, they will need to drive it to lower the charge to 75% before they can do the drive cycle test.
 
#418 · (Edited)
Both the Mopar and NHTSA websites for my VIN are updated showing parts available for the GC

Update: confirmed with dealer that vehicle should be updated today or Monday (had left it with them since I didn’t have any place to park it safely).
 
#422 ·
followed by a driving test between 25 and 50 mph
Just to reiterate for anyone reading this, the drive cycle test must be performed. There is no option for the dealer to not do this because a code didn't pop up, etc. There have been some dealers claiming they don't have to do this test. If your dealer claims this, they are wrong and Jeep needs to be notified. The easiest way to get that info to a specific individual tracking it is to contact Blair @JeepCares on facebook.
 
#424 ·
Lots of us are getting this notification but general consensus is that it is inaccurate. Haven’t heard of anyone that actually has a software update.
 
#439 ·
Got the 95B work done yesterday. Pased the drive cycle test. Picked it up today, drives like it used to, no observable changes so far. Paperwork states updates to IDCM, PCM, and TCM software. Vehicle info screen still says FCA-MY24.U29.42 as the version. Back in the garage, charging up. Good to have this resolved.
 
#442 ·
Anybody else have any data points for how long the recall fix takes to perform. I dropped mine off this morning. Was told to expect 5 days, but also told I would hear from them by this time next week.

Also, I understand that the software update is the first part of it, but it might actually require parts if something is actually wrong? Anyone have to go down that route yet? And if so, how long did that take?
 
#447 ·
Is this HV battery issue a manufacturing defect, a degradation issue or both. As time goes on will more batteries fail triggering a cel.

My 2012 JK 3.6l was part of an engine lot that had valve which degraded over time due to a manufacturing defect. My valve never failed but I it always concerned me.
 
#448 ·
Is this HV battery issue a manufacturing defect, a degradation issue or both. As time goes on will more batteries fail triggering a cel.

My 2012 JK 3.6l was part of an engine lot that had valve which degraded over time due to a manufacturing defect. My valve never failed but I it always concerned me.
From what I can infer, the answer to both of those is "yes."

Some of the batteries were made with defectives separators in the cells. These have since been re-sourced with new separators from another supplier. But the ones in the field, are now being monitored with enhanced software from the recall.
The recall uploads the new software, and the drive test is to catch as many batteries as possible, which are defective "now." In the moment.
If any other separators degrade over time, the software should now catch it due to the revision, and throw a CEL for inspection or replacement.