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If you think what is happening with the JGC 4xe is similar to what's happening with other brands, you need to get out more. This was supposed to be out like a year ago and we're still waiting on deliveries that are a moving target. Jeep has been less than forthcoming with real info, leading dealers to peddle bullshit and sell it as gospel to appease customers. It's a clown show at Jeep.
Pricing Announced Jan 26th of this year for an original spring 2022 release... Spring technically ended June 21st. Hardly a year ago... 馃槈

Ford started to have production delays in February of this year due to chip shortages...

I believe I do get out plenty, pay attention to the markets and economy, and tend to have a very grounded look at what's happening in the world. Delays happen. Why they chose not just to say there were production delays? Who knows. I'm also glad that they didn't just produce a bunch with missing parts and leave them sitting on lots for months Unfinished.

Edit to add... The original announcement seems to be July 2021 for a 2022 model, but no release date is set. Car companies announce cars all the time (or at least used to) and not get them to market for years.

Edit 2 - Auto Show debut was only in September of 2021
 

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I'm not particularly bothered. From the outside, it is hard to tell whether this is bad luck in a global context, or if there are bugs in the platform that maybe they didn't learn from when developing the wrangler 4xe.

Or maybe McIntosh can't make enough of those fancy stereos. :p

That being said there's a used Porsche Cayenne e-hybrid at the local dealer that I'm going to check out soon.
 

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Some Stallantis news in general... (if you watch the whole video, it talks briefly about the new bill working its way through congress about credits and whatnot. No mention of PHEV, but it does mention the price caps.

 

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If you think what is happening with the JGC 4xe is similar to what's happening with other brands, you need to get out more. This was supposed to be out like a year ago and we're still waiting on deliveries that are a moving target. Jeep has been less than forthcoming with real info, leading dealers to peddle bullshit and sell it as gospel to appease customers. It's a clown show at Jeep.
A year ago? They didn鈥檛 even start taking ordered until mid December.
 

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I believe the 鈥渙fficial鈥 announcement date was September 29, 2021 (even though it was well known it was coming for many months beforehand).

(In August, Mopar Insiders had reported that 鈥淔or those waiting for the electrified 4xe model, you will have to wait an additional month, as it will begin production at the end of October.鈥)
 

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I believe the 鈥渙fficial鈥 announcement date was September 29, 2021 (even though it was well known it was coming for many months beforehand).

(In August, Mopar Insiders had reported that 鈥淔or those waiting for the electrified 4xe model, you will have to wait an additional month, as it will begin production at the end of October.鈥)
A website reporting doesn鈥檛 count as anything official. Everything was rumor/speculation until orders started and then the rumor/speculation started again. 馃槀
 

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They've reported plenty of other stuff incorrectly
I think our beef is with Jeep / Stellantis for moving the goal posts. They do not manage expectations. They promise repeatedly and under-deliver. Can you envisage a world where Stellantis paused the production / and order taking in February/March and said publicly that due to xyz factors we will be resuming orders and production in 6 months. All our existing customers who placed orders will have their pricing honoured (we all assume and/or hope to be the case) and we will prioritize them. They update the tracking portals with some end-of-the-year date, and then they work hard to over-deliver those vehicles in August and add a $500 - $1000 dollar Customer Satisfaction discount. All along while seeking partnerships with large domestic chip manufacturers and showing how they are trying to beat the global automotive chip shortage by re-imagining their vehicle electronics.

Instead we get radio silence, updated higher pricing several times, de-contented vehciles, website updates and commercials that promise a vehicle that is not commercially available, then more updates to the website, advertisement for a 2023 model year, re-opening of orders and generally speaking, keeping existing customers (with old and new orders) in the dark.

I am not saying the scenario presented would be ideal...but it would have been more customer friendly.
 

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And my other beef is with the dinosaur automotive industry who is not investing into new chips, new boards, new ways to control all the crap in these cars.

If I can have augmented reality on my phone and I can buy a nearly crash proof drone with 6 4K cameras and NVIDIA Tegra boards (Skydio) and do everything Internet and local/networked processing on a Surface Pro, why can't this industry invest a few billions and get into the 21st century. As we are on the verge of electrifying cars, wouldn't this be the time to partner with the Apples, Microsofts, Samsungs, ARM, AMDs and Intels of the world to modernize the control architecture in a car? I would imagine my Microsoft Surface Pro with an 11th Gen Intel 5 can control all the things in the car. Might take $1+ billion in R/D to convert everything but you will then control everything in a modern car, and still have more processing power than the Space Shuttle and the Apollo programs that put a man on the moon.

And I don't really wanna hear how specialized these automotive chips have to be to withstand cold and hot and vibration. If I can leave my phone in the car and it gets 130 F inside or -2F, and I can drop it and still browse the internet and make calls afterwards, and the screen didn't crack and the GPS is still accurate, and I tap on the screen a thousand times per day texting, e-mail checking, browsing (I am adding all the fingers here), I'd say Samsung and Apple have nailed it.
 

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A website reporting doesn鈥檛 count as anything official.
I know鈥. I just passed it on because it鈥檚鈥 quaint. October!

I should also mention that Jeep didn鈥檛 offer any timeframe with the September 29 announcement. I think the first official timeframe didn鈥檛 appear until several weeks after that, when they said it鈥檇 arrive in 鈥淲inter.鈥
 

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I know鈥. I just passed it on because it鈥檚鈥 quaint. October!

I should also mention that Jeep didn鈥檛 offer any timeframe with the September 29 announcement. I think the first official timeframe didn鈥檛 appear until several weeks after that, when they said it鈥檇 arrive in 鈥淲inter.鈥
I wish they would source the information, but this article was released the day of the announcement in September, and the last paragraph reads:

The 2022 Grand Cherokee will arrive in Jeep retailers in North America in the fourth quarter of 2021. The 4xe is scheduled to arrive in North America early in 2022 and in global markets later that year.
So not exactly official, but I feel like they could have sourced that to some statement by stallantis.
 

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And my other beef is with the dinosaur automotive industry who is not investing into new chips, new boards, new ways to control all the crap in these cars.

If I can have augmented reality on my phone and I can buy a nearly crash proof drone with 6 4K cameras and NVIDIA Tegra boards (Skydio) and do everything Internet and local/networked processing on a Surface Pro, why can't this industry invest a few billions and get into the 21st century. As we are on the verge of electrifying cars, wouldn't this be the time to partner with the Apples, Microsofts, Samsungs, ARM, AMDs and Intels of the world to modernize the control architecture in a car? I would imagine my Microsoft Surface Pro with an 11th Gen Intel 5 can control all the things in the car. Might take $1+ billion in R/D to convert everything but you will then control everything in a modern car, and still have more processing power than the Space Shuttle and the Apollo programs that put a man on the moon.

And I don't really wanna hear how specialized these automotive chips have to be to withstand cold and hot and vibration. If I can leave my phone in the car and it gets 130 F inside or -2F, and I can drop it and still browse the internet and make calls afterwards, and the screen didn't crack and the GPS is still accurate, and I tap on the screen a thousand times per day texting, e-mail checking, browsing (I am adding all the fingers here), I'd say Samsung and Apple have nailed it.
I feel your frustration. Jeep customer service has been crap for years. It's like it's written into the contract each time another entity picks up the brand. Worse of late. They like to charge premium prices for many of their models, but you always get Dodge-Dart-level service. They need to break off the premium lines, as Hyundai did with Genesis, and sell those out of different dealerships.
 

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And I don't really wanna hear how specialized these automotive chips have to be to withstand cold and hot and vibration. If I can leave my phone in the car and it gets 130 F inside or -2F, and I can drop it and still browse the internet and make calls afterwards, and the screen didn't crack and the GPS is still accurate, and I tap on the screen a thousand times per day texting, e-mail checking, browsing (I am adding all the fingers here), I'd say Samsung and Apple have nailed it.
What is the expected lifespan of your phone?
 

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What is the expected lifespan of your phone?
You are looking at it the wrong way. But for your edification, I am rocking a Samsung Galaxy Note 9 from 2018 currently. I have a Samsung Galaxy S5 (you know from a time when you could swap batteries, circa 2014) that I temporarily gave my father after his got busted in February, until he got a new one. So the tech still works. Is it the shiniest, newest, slickest, most responsive. No, but it worked.

Take a look at this list, which is by no means comprehensive.

What functions could have been replaced with the phone motherboard and its computing power? I'd say things like heated seats, adjustable seats and steering column, etc. are a safe bet.
 

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Am I? There's a lot more that goes into chip selection that it seems at first glance. A cell phone is going to have significantly different requirements for everything from life span to failure rates to costs to environmental conditions, etc.
... safety, power and thermal budget, software, etc etc
 

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Maybe not News... But a new test video for the Overland 4XE

I do like these guys but man they really giving this vehicle some pricing slaps. Only thing I have seen this not compare value wise is to a BMW 45e. They say Jeep is going after a Land Rover... well ok lets put them on the same playing field. PHEV to PHEV. Land Rover PHEV starts at 104k. Now we are talking a 30k difference from the Overland. For 30k more I better not have hard plastic at the knee.
 
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