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No 4xe yet, but do have a JL. What’s attracting me to coming back is:
1) Alpine system is my favorite factory system in anything I’ve ever owned and I’ve always check off the premium sound systems.

2) The heated seats and steering wheel heat up faster than anything I’ve ever owned. You roast marshmallows on the heater vents. Amazing. It’s my cold weather vehicle.

3) Narrow upright windshield and tall dashboard keeps you from getting microwaved by the sun on hot days. I have had and currently own other cars with vented seats but they can’t cool you faster than sun coming through the windshield can heat you. Wrangler is one of the few vehicles left that haven’t gone to a large raked “minivan” style windshield. It’s my most comfortable hot weather vehicle.

4) Removable doors and roof are great for nice days. Other than the Bronco, it’s the only SUV convertible. It’s my favorite fair weather vehicle.

5) Water fording, where I live it rains and floods so common it doesn’t even make the news. It’s my favorite foul weather vehicle.

6) Narrow body, short wheel base, and plastic fenders. Where I live, we have tight parking spots. The traits that makes a Jeep a great trail vehicle also work well in urban parking garages. Easy to park and harder to get door dings and curbed wheels. It’s my favorite city vehicle.

7) Great resell value. This will be my 3rd Jeep and I seem to always end up with massive amounts of equity after they’re paid off. Despite the high cost, total cost of ownership is actually among the lowest of any vehicle I’ve owned.

8) infrequent redesigns. Its actually possible to buy a Wrangler and it not look like yesterday’s news years after you pay off a 72 month loan. Most cars will have gone through like 2new generations and a facelift in the time it takes Wrangler to
style.

Dislikes:
1) Expense. Jeeps are expensive for body on frame vehicles with WWII era suspension and steering components, yet come poorly equipped at every trim level. Spend $60K on a Rubicon 4xe and you still have to pay $600 to not have a garbage bag for a soft top. A headliner for a hard top cost the same as a Bronco’s entire hardtop (which includes a headliner). $1k for painted fenders, Non 4xe Rubicons charge for LED lights that come standard on base mode Kia’s. I had to pay extra for side airbags in my JKUR, etc. After many early complaints about cracking JL windshield’s, Jeep remedied the situation by offering a windshield that is less likely to crack as an upgrade. A non cracking windshield does screams “luxury” to me so I feel a man of my station should enjoy such comforts so I’m debating checking the box or just letting insurance upgrade it for me after it’s first crack. Good thing I got that great resell value so I can continue to afford these things.

2) Lack of modern features. Wrangler was like the last vehicle in America to not come with a backup camera. I’ll remind you that this is a tall vehicle that has a giant spare tire blocking most of your rear out the back, that usually comes standard with a scratched up vinyl window. As noted before side airbags were a standalone option until the JL. No curtain airbags currently exist (Bronco has them standard so it is possible). There’s really no reason it can’t offer 360 surround view, lane centering, road sign detection, etc. Some of this I’m sure is because they’re afraid of offending “real off-roaders” yet have no problems with adaptive cruise and leather seats.

3) Solid front axle. 99% of us get nothing from this WWII era relic. I wish they would make an “extreme off-road edition” with 37 in beadlocked mud terrains, and solid axles and spare the rest of us from this horrendous driving experience. Solid axles are great if you’re driving in Moab.
It’s driving to Moab with solid axles that will make a real man out of you,

4) on that note steering is terrible as well. I drive over two long, high bridges daily and it’s a white knuckle experience every time. Any gust of wind feels like flying a Cessna in a hurricane. Zero steering feedback. What exactly is the benefit of recirculating ball steering again?

5) road noise. Not bad for what it is, but it’s no Cadillac…or even a rental econobox.

6) acceleration is terrible, especially at highway speeds. I’m hoping 4xe fixes this.

7) braking is not the best in the world. Not bad for a heavy brick with big tires, but not the most confident either. I’m hopeful that 4xe’s regen helps balance out the extra battery weight, but not expecting a miracle.

8) no synchro in 4 low. The process is 1) put transmission in nuetral. 2) put 4wd lever into 4N then 4L, while in neutral but not stopped either…”wait what?”. Yes you have to be moving at like 2 mph in neutral, then even then it feels like you’re shifting gears in a 1940’s grain truck. You know how to do this in a Bronco (or anything else)? Turn a knob or push a button.

9) waving. I know it’s a Jeep thing and I do it, but every 4th car where I live is a Jeep so that’s a lot of waving. I’m sure it made more sense back when only 2 other people in your state had the gumption to drive these things, but now I can’t throw a rock without hitting one. I counted 6 at my 4 way stop the other day. It’s by far the most common vehicle in the school drop off. It’s replaced the minivan in suburbia for us parents with mortality issues clinging to our youth. “See we’re still fun. Taking the kids to Moab right after school”.

10) reliability. I haven’t had much problems with my previous Jeeps, but I’m not going to lie, the 4xe forums have me a bit concerned. There seems to be daily post of shutdowns on freeways and other owners seem to think that’s actually normal and acceptable. I frequent a lot of different forums and I can assure you this is not normal nor acceptable. This isn’t just a warranty problem, that's grounds for a recall. I’m not sure what’s taking so long. I’ve had other cars recalled because it was “possible” that a very specific chain of events my result in a shutdown and resulting danger. Jeep seems very slow and reactive in this case. Of all my nuances with Jeep this is my most concerning as I have 18 miles of elevated highway, bridges and narrow 2 lane roads that I drive at night and no convenient place to have a shutdown at anytime. The reason I don’t keep cars long after warranty is solely because of this reason. Well that and I get bored with them quickly.
 

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Like: The only new hybrid convertible on the market.
Dislike: Driving bricks at 80mph isn’t exactly green.

Seriously, I am really enjoying my 4xe (save for finding so many loose fuses on my first check, none thereafter) and it is so much better than my ‘17. We’ve put on 3k miles in a month, so gas mileage isn’t great, but once again much better than my older one.

Wish: Cooled seats
Crazy/Stupid Wish: Bolt-on streamlined windscreen (with wipers) for long hauling.
 

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No 4xe yet, but do have a JL. What’s attracting me to coming back is:
1) Alpine system is my favorite factory system in anything I’ve ever owned and I’ve always check off the premium sound systems.

2) The heated seats and steering wheel heat up faster than anything I’ve ever owned. You roast marshmallows on the heater vents. Amazing. It’s my cold weather vehicle.

3) Narrow upright windshield and tall dashboard keeps you from getting microwaved by the sun on hot days. I have had and currently own other cars with vented seats but they can’t cool you faster than sun coming through the windshield can heat you. Wrangler is one of the few vehicles left that haven’t gone to a large raked “minivan” style windshield. It’s my most comfortable hot weather vehicle.

4) Removable doors and roof are great for nice days. Other than the Bronco, it’s the only SUV convertible. It’s my favorite fair weather vehicle.

5) Water fording, where I live it rains and floods so common it doesn’t even make the news. It’s my favorite foul weather vehicle.

6) Narrow body, short wheel base, and plastic fenders. Where I live, we have tight parking spots. The traits that makes a Jeep a great trail vehicle also work well in urban parking garages. Easy to park and harder to get door dings and curbed wheels. It’s my favorite city vehicle.

7) Great resell value. This will be my 3rd Jeep and I seem to always end up with massive amounts of equity after they’re paid off. Despite the high cost, total cost of ownership is actually among the lowest of any vehicle I’ve owned.

8) infrequent redesigns. Its actually possible to buy a Wrangler and it not look like yesterday’s news years after you pay off a 72 month loan. Most cars will have gone through like 2new generations and a facelift in the time it takes Wrangler to
style.

Dislikes:
1) Expense. Jeeps are expensive for body on frame vehicles with WWII era suspension and steering components, yet come poorly equipped at every trim level. Spend $60K on a Rubicon 4xe and you still have to pay $600 to not have a garbage bag for a soft top. A headliner for a hard top cost the same as a Bronco’s entire hardtop (which includes a headliner). $1k for painted fenders, Non 4xe Rubicons charge for LED lights that come standard on base mode Kia’s. I had to pay extra for side airbags in my JKUR, etc. After many early complaints about cracking JL windshield’s, Jeep remedied the situation by offering a windshield that is less likely to crack as an upgrade. A non cracking windshield does screams “luxury” to me so I feel a man of my station should enjoy such comforts so I’m debating checking the box or just letting insurance upgrade it for me after it’s first crack. Good thing I got that great resell value so I can continue to afford these things.

2) Lack of modern features. Wrangler was like the last vehicle in America to not come with a backup camera. I’ll remind you that this is a tall vehicle that has a giant spare tire blocking most of your rear out the back, that usually comes standard with a scratched up vinyl window. As noted before side airbags were a standalone option until the JL. No curtain airbags currently exist (Bronco has them standard so it is possible). There’s really no reason it can’t offer 360 surround view, lane centering, road sign detection, etc. Some of this I’m sure is because they’re afraid of offending “real off-roaders” yet have no problems with adaptive cruise and leather seats.

3) Solid front axle. 99% of us get nothing from this WWII era relic. I wish they would make an “extreme off-road edition” with 37 in beadlocked mud terrains, and solid axles and spare the rest of us from this horrendous driving experience. Solid axles are great if you’re driving in Moab.
It’s driving to Moab with solid axles that will make a real man out of you,

4) on that note steering is terrible as well. I drive over two long, high bridges daily and it’s a white knuckle experience every time. Any gust of wind feels like flying a Cessna in a hurricane. Zero steering feedback. What exactly is the benefit of recirculating ball steering again?

5) road noise. Not bad for what it is, but it’s no Cadillac…or even a rental econobox.

6) acceleration is terrible, especially at highway speeds. I’m hoping 4xe fixes this.

7) braking is not the best in the world. Not bad for a heavy brick with big tires, but not the most confident either. I’m hopeful that 4xe’s regen helps balance out the extra battery weight, but not expecting a miracle.

8) no synchro in 4 low. The process is 1) put transmission in nuetral. 2) put 4wd lever into 4N then 4L, while in neutral but not stopped either…”wait what?”. Yes you have to be moving at like 2 mph in neutral, then even then it feels like you’re shifting gears in a 1940’s grain truck. You know how to do this in a Bronco (or anything else)? Turn a knob or push a button.

9) waving. I know it’s a Jeep thing and I do it, but every 4th car where I live is a Jeep so that’s a lot of waving. I’m sure it made more sense back when only 2 other people in your state had the gumption to drive these things, but now I can’t throw a rock without hitting one. I counted 6 at my 4 way stop the other day. It’s by far the most common vehicle in the school drop off. It’s replaced the minivan in suburbia for us parents with mortality issues clinging to our youth. “See we’re still fun. Taking the kids to Moab right after school”.

10) reliability. I haven’t had much problems with my previous Jeeps, but I’m not going to lie, the 4xe forums have me a bit concerned. There seems to be daily post of shutdowns on freeways and other owners seem to think that’s actually normal and acceptable. I frequent a lot of different forums and I can assure you this is not normal nor acceptable. This isn’t just a warranty problem, that's grounds for a recall. I’m not sure what’s taking so long. I’ve had other cars recalled because it was “possible” that a very specific chain of events my result in a shutdown and resulting danger. Jeep seems very slow and reactive in this case. Of all my nuances with Jeep this is my most concerning as I have 18 miles of elevated highway, bridges and narrow 2 lane roads that I drive at night and no convenient place to have a shutdown at anytime. The reason I don’t keep cars long after warranty is solely because of this reason. Well that and I get bored with them quickly.
6) This is not an issue on the 4xe. Its possible to hit the speed limiter very quickly, or so I’m told…… Seriously, test drive one if you get a chance. Some of the dislikes that you mention have been improved upon. Our Rubicon with stock tires is a bit more stable at highway speeds than our 2019 JLU Sahara was. I’m sure it has to do with the HVB mounted low in the chassis. The ride quality is also better.
 

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I’ve had my Rubicon 4xe for 14 months now.

What I like. 21 miles of electric range at $0.0125 per mile.

What I dislike. The engine turning on at $0.28 per mile. At $5.00 per gallon.

Yes, I charge every time I see a charger.
 

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1, Wind noise at highway speeds. On long trips it is very tiring.It is the only thing I miss from my Disco 4 . After a 12 h drive I would be relatively fresh . Not with the jeep, I want to puncture my ears not to hear anything anymore.
Luckily I only do those 2 times / years usually. But I started to take steps to mitigate the issue.
The jeep came with a Mopar headliner from factory, I bought some Killmat sound proofing. It is easy DYI and cheap. So I do little by little in the week-ends.
So far I applied it on the roof, trunk and back wheel wells. It will not be a Landrover but takes the edge off for sure. The moment I applied some on the right wheel well under the subwoofer, the sound of the audio system improved a lot.
I plan to put in the doors as well, and for those with aggressive tires, doing the floor will help a lot.
If you have no headliner - you can get one that helps with NVH, many options out there.
As it is now, at 95 km/h, I only hear the front wheels a bit. At 110 km/h is almost. like a cheap normal car. So definitely. some progress.
 

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Likes:
Ability to select driving modes
Ability to see efficiency conveniently in the dash and center console
Tow hooks and other badging on Rubicon
Running on all electric
AC Inverter
The look
Sound of electric motor


Dislikes:
AC compressor noise. #1 complaint
3 horns upon exiting a running vehicle with key (sounds would be better)
Back Seat height
Battery isn’t big enough
Tighter steering or lack of an ability to configure
Sound chimes and other alerts
Inability to diagnose vehicle through SOS button
Doors close hard and loud
Need better insulation
Difficulty navigating easily to Hybrid Pages
Reliability / manufacturing quality


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Move the hybrid pages to your favorites at the bottom of the uconnect (if you are talking about esave)
 

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Like: The only new hybrid convertible on the market.
Dislike: Driving bricks at 80mph isn’t exactly green.

Seriously, I am really enjoying my 4xe (save for finding so many loose fuses on my first check, none thereafter) and it is so much better than my ‘17. We’ve put on 3k miles in a month, so gas mileage isn’t great, but once again much better than my older one.

Wish: Cooled seats
Crazy/Stupid Wish: Bolt-on streamlined windscreen (with wipers) for long hauling.
We noticed that too. at 60-65 we get 24-28 mpg, speed up past that at all bam 17. We decided the jeep is our in town vehicle (been a month since we put gas in it and she drive everywhere) and the eco diesel is our road trip vehicle.
 

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Like the fact that it fits my wife's daily driving habits perfectly. She quickly mastered the art of acceleration without tripping the ICE. She takes 1 longer trip/week that runs the engine. 5700 trouble-free miles and driving about 1000 miles total per tank of fuel. We are very much of the "set it in Hybrid mode and leave it alone' camp. Her 4th Wrangler, she loves the JL updates: improved ride (possibly owing to the extra 4xe weight), door checks, rear visibility, Apple car play, heated steering wheel, other JL baubles. So far so good...
 

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Dislike the future battery replacement cost.
The price for lithium got 600% this year alone.
I hope we can get the solid ev battery’s soon .


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Wait until you see the price of electricity! The US already buys 15% of it's electricity from other countries...

Dislike the future battery replacement cost.
The price for lithium got 600% this year alone.
I hope we can get the solid ev battery’s soon .


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I don't like that the 4xe isn't smart enough to run the engine to get some heat just in case it suddenly has to kick in the ICE. Why not just run the ICE at initial start-up for 30 seconds? I don't know a lot about how new engines handle cold starts, but it a bit unnerving to that the engine will run cold for miles and then I go to get on a highway and ICE kicks in cold to get to highway speed. Am I just over thinking this?
 

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Probably not overthinking it! PHEVs and BEVs appear to be built to satisfy gov't regulations not for longevity.

I don't like that the 4xe isn't smart enough to run the engine to get some heat just in case it suddenly has to kick in the ICE. Why not just run the ICE at initial start-up for 30 seconds? I don't know a lot about how new engines handle cold starts, but it a bit unnerving to that the engine will run cold for miles and then I go to get on a highway and ICE kicks in cold to get to highway speed. Am I just over thinking this?
 

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Forgot to mention the things I like.
So besides the noise at highway speeds, there are a lot of things to like.
1 - The looks, you might not like them, I do, it has a lot of character. You take many other brands, they are all a like, unless you are like a big brand specialist or die hard fan, your can't tell them apart. Honestly I can't tell anymore if a BMW is 3, 4 or a 5. Same with Audi and others, for example.
2 - Interior is fine considering the purpose of the car. The infotainment system, maybe the BMW one is better, but not by much. I like that it still has physical controls for the important functions.
3 - Power train is very good. Even if many claim the fuel economy is worse on the highway than the 2.0 or the V6, a fact that I dispute, you need to remember that this 375 HP , a lot more than the V6 or 2.0T.
4 - Off road is great. I had a Landcruiser Prado, a Toyota Hilux, an LR Discovery 4, I also drove the new Defender a bit, did not drove the old one. This Wrangler is probably the best. Maybe a G wagon comes close or better, but I never drove one myself. (I am talking about bone stock vehicles) .
The Wrangler makes everything to seem a lot easier than it actually is, and the list I drove are among the best ones out there.
5. The fact it is a plug in hybrid is a lot more valuable to me, because now I can get rid of the daily driver. I can use it to commute to work and for my hobby. That means room in the garage, that means 1 annual trip to the dealer, not 2, one insurance, less hassle .. and so on.. .
Is it worth it the 10 k extra you pay for the 4xe instead of a petrol or diesel wrangler ? Well, for me just for going from 2 cars to 1, is worth it. Seems like a lot of people agree, because I just read that about 1/3 of the sales are 4xe.
 

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1 thing i dislike is that on hot days i feel like i have to BLAST the A/C all the way up for a long time to get the cabin cool, in any other car i have in about 20 mins or less the ac knob is back at 1 or 2

2.if you have the sky touch , when you let it back the bass woofer reduces its power to like 50 percent!

3.No cooling seats

4. The horn sounds soo weak,

5. if you have the sky touch the panels can come off but they tend to paint chip alot
 

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So, to the point about it possibly turning on and running the engine to warm it up, I may actually have that solved. When I start my Jeep it’s defaulted to hybrid mode of course, once the needles in the dash have gone up and down (I try to remember to let all electronics/tech do their startup thing) I tap the gas pedal and it starts the ICE, as I back out of the garage it’s running and when I pull out of my driveway it’s off before the stop sign a 1/2 block. Don’t know if this is recommended or not? When I don’t tap the gas it just runs electric of course and the ICE runs as needed in hybrid mode.
 

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So, to the point about it possibly turning on and running the engine to warm it up, I may actually have that solved. When I start my Jeep it’s defaulted to hybrid mode of course, once the needles in the dash have gone up and down (I try to remember to let all electronics/tech do their startup thing) I tap the gas pedal and it starts the ICE, as I back out of the garage it’s running and when I pull out of my driveway it’s off before the stop sign a 1/2 block. Don’t know if this is recommended or not? When I don’t tap the gas it just runs electric of course and the ICE runs as needed in hybrid mode.
This is the perfect way to get the vehicle into FORM much sooner than it needs to be
 
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