[Theotis]

I agree - it’s dependent on a lot of factors and your risk tolerance. Personally I make a car move when it makes sense (subvented rates and strong incentives). I’ve completely changed my thinking over time. I want my money in my possession for as long as possible. I also like to shift the depreciation / accident risk to someone else, which is what you do when leasing.

Definitely agree with the depreciation risk shifting. It's something I haven't used enough. I usually buy jeeps so I can mod them at will, but I probably should have leased this vehicle because the resale could be a lot worse than expected.

 

[Mllcb42]

You would be nuts to pay the dealer cash for one of these. If you have the cash to pay, it should be to the lessor when you buy out the lease after a month or so.

 

[chippedbeef]

You would be nuts to pay the dealer cash for one of these. If you have the cash to pay, it should be to the lessor when you buy out the lease after a month or so.

I don’t trust the depreciation on these to even do that.

 

[Jeff Spahn]

Find that last post slightly ironic, as the title of the thread is completely opinionated. Good luck with everything though, it's never fun to buy anything and not have it work as you'd expect, especially at $71k. At least the recalls we see aren't like the ones Tesla keeps throwing out...

Am I missing something on Tesla. I have had no issues and any "recalls" were just software updates. Never had to take it in or anything. We get the notices in the mail and they just tell us there will be a software update. Car drives like it should every day.

 

[millsjrbc]

We bought a 2023 Wrangler 4xe on 3/23/2023 with only 16 miles. Paid 71k in full. Next day engine light came one and engine it wouldn't move with only 110 miles. Dash requested to shift to gear even though it was in gear. We called dealer for help since we only drove home and they said just take it to local dealer and no refunds available. Basically they didn't want to deal with it. Soonest appointment was 3/28 with local dealer. They called 4/6/23 to pick up the vehicle. The jeep shut down 5x on the road. We took it back and it's still there as of 4/21/23. The jeep isn't even being worked on because the dealer cannot figure out. We opened case with Jeep customer service and they are absolutely no help at all. While manufacturing is not perfect anywhere, one thing for sure is Jeeps customer service is JUNK! They are scripted and dont call, email or follow up. Lemon law is not available yet and is a lengthy process. Hopes this helps those on a fence of buying a Jeep. STERLING HEIGHTS DODGE JEEP IN Michigan was the dealer DO NOT BUY THERE. I have videos upon request.

This sounds like you had a door ajar or door open. This does what you are speaking about.

 

[Jeep1010]

You ever find out what the issues was?

 

[2024Rubicon4xe]

I avoid confusing reliable or unreliable vehicles with brands. Examples: Pinto-Ford; Vega-Chevrolet. The brands are successful while those vehicles are recognized failures. The 4Xe, considering its short lived production history, what it was prototyped as in 2008 and its subsidized pricing is beginning to reveal itself to be a failure de facto; moreover, a much less palatable failure compared to the above examples. People spending $10,000 on a failure are perceived as more fortunate than people spending $70,000 on something failing to deliver the claimed and expected advantages of owning an extravagant vehicle cloaked in pseudo economy and public sector agendas. If it's such a marvel, then why the incentives using other peoples' money? No one can argue that incentives are purposed to promote something that otherwise would not sell for the full asking price. Why isn't Jeep offering the incentives? One should consider the public sector incentives are only serving to increase today's profits for Jeep subsequently postponing the necessity for building something of better value as was the 4Xe prototype of 2008. The understandably frustrated testimony of an increasing number of early adopters who trusted such a complex vehicle does not bode well for the prospects of wheeling 4Xes a couple hundred thousand economical miles. Example: I wheeled hard a $16,000 XJ 285,000 miles before it was stolen. No recalls, no major repairs unless I caused them; it always returned me home and repairs and modifications were simple and affordable. I never intended to let it go especially after test driving a new $50,000 JLR. That is my benchmark. Go ahead, poke fun at it. I have no difficulty with anyone being compelled to defend their purchase and do wish future luck with avoiding standing around in repair shops. The intent of those posting here who are having problems with their purchases is to expedite resolution or at least warn others hoping to incentivize Jeep to produce the dependable off-road vehicles they should be producing. The unfortunate ones posting here should be thanked by those considering taking advantage of the PHEV tax incentives and regard themselves as fully alerted to the risks that others have taken. My purpose: to empathize. Gratitude is often confused with gloating only by those who are beginning to have doubts regarding their own decisions.

There's a lot to unpack in your post.

The EV incentives aren't from Jeep; they're on the Federal and State level. Jeep is not trying to incentivize these, the government is. And with very good reason.

Early adopters complaining about something is as old as the internet. I'm not sure if you understand the concept of reviews generally, and car forums specifically, but people tend to show up to bitch about things, not extoll their virtues.

It's statistically unlikely you have remotely the experience I have with vehicles since my 4xe is the 55th vehicle I've purchased. Most have been purchased brand-new, and all have been used heavily with their intended purpose in mind. Sports cars are tracked, trucks tow, and Jeeps wheel on the toughest trails.

My experience has been that new cars of every brand have problems from time to time. My 2023 Lexus RX500h has a clunky transmission and trim pieces separating on the dash, while my 2023 Lincoln Navigator has been flawless. Building cars is exceptionally challenging, and all OEMs are learning on the fly.

Even the OP here probably just needed a new 12V battery based on the issue reported. Another poster here confirmed that her issue was in fact, just a faulty battery. A faulty battery can cause all sorts of lights, CEL and otherwise, and can lead a dealership's service department down a rabbit hole.

The 4xe has been the best-selling PHEV in the US for a couple of years now. 40% of all wranglers sold are 4xes. That's a LOT of 4xes on the road.

It's a brilliantly executed PHEV. 25 miles of EV range means hardly any gas is used for most suburbanites (like me), most of the time. Daily life involves effectively infinite MPG. If you have solar on your house it's even better still. Longer trips afford the use of ICE assistance, and the powerpack addition in 2024 (120V 30 amp power supply that plugs into the charge port) is a game changer for people who camp or use anything requiring electricity away from the grid.

The overwhelming majority of people who have purchased a Wrangler 4xe just go about their quiet enjoyment of their Jeep, and they are not on this forum or others.

 

[Blxe Stxel]

There's a lot to unpack in your post.

The EV incentives aren't from Jeep; they're on the Federal and State level. Jeep is not trying to incentivize these, the government is. And with very good reason.

Early adopters complaining about something is as old as the internet. I'm not sure if you understand the concept of reviews generally, and car forums specifically, but people tend to show up to bitch about things, not extoll their virtues.

It's statistically unlikely you have remotely the experience I have with vehicles since my 4xe is the 55th vehicle I've purchased. Most have been purchased brand-new, and all have been used heavily with their intended purpose in mind. Sports cars are tracked, trucks tow, and Jeeps wheel on the toughest trails.

My experience has been that new cars of every brand have problems from time to time. My 2023 Lexus RX500h has a clunky transmission and trim pieces separating on the dash, while my 2023 Lincoln Navigator has been flawless. Building cars is exceptionally challenging, and all OEMs are learning on the fly.

Even the OP here probably just needed a new 12V battery based on the issue reported. Another poster here confirmed that her issue was in fact, just a faulty battery. A faulty battery can cause all sorts of lights, CEL and otherwise, and can lead a dealership's service department down a rabbit hole.

The 4xe has been the best-selling PHEV in the US for a couple of years now. 40% of all wranglers sold are 4xes. That's a LOT of 4xes on the road.

It's a brilliantly executed PHEV. 25 miles of EV range means hardly any gas is used for most suburbanites (like me), most of the time. Daily life involves effectively infinite MPG. If you have solar on your house it's even better still. Longer trips afford the use of ICE assistance, and the powerpack addition in 2024 (120V 30 amp power supply that plugs into the charge port) is a game changer for people who camp or use anything requiring electricity away from the grid.

The overwhelming majority of people who have purchased a Wrangler 4xe just go about their quiet enjoyment of their Jeep, and they are not on this forum or others.

I love mine.

 

[DaisyMae]

My 2024 4xe Wrangler is junk too. It ran great until it didn’t. It has only 20K miles on it and the hybrid system is a total flop. They replaced the PIM twice now and it still breaks down after driving it just once.

It’s now at a new dealership because Jeep only pays for a tow to the nearest dealer and they’re ordering a new A/C compressor and a high voltage fuse for the hybrid system that are about a week out. Tech says the Jeep is undrivable so I’m looking at another two weeks without the car I pay over $800 a month lease pmt on.

The Jeep is gorgeous, Earl gray with the fancy top, power leather seats and everything but I’m just real tired of driving somewhere and it breaks down.

it’s four times in the shop now in the past six weeks. I’m over it, tired of dealing with Jeep Roadside who made me wait in a cold car for over two hours for a tow after work and decided to call an attorney instead.

 

[Yawnie'sPapa]

We have had only one real problem - that transmission leak. That was a hassle, but it was still safe and driveable. Otherwise, it went in for the recalls, got checked, software updated, and passed all tests.
It's working fine although I think it doesn't like my wife's infrequent driving as it's been insisting on using the ICE a lot lately - even in 20 degree weather, so I'm keeping an eye on that, otherwise, what other Jeep Wrangler can get the energy equivalent mpg these do and have HP and torque not far off from a hemi V8?

 

[DaisyMae]

 

[DaisyMae]

Mine has zero hp or torque atm and hasn’t except for maybe five days since Christmas Eve.

I’m happy yours is working out though. I was pretty happy when mine ran too.

 

[DaKine34]

My 2024 4xe Wrangler is junk too. It ran great until it didn’t. It has only 20K miles on it and the hybrid system is a total flop. They replaced the PIM twice now and it still breaks down after driving it just once.

It’s now at a new dealership because Jeep only pays for a tow to the nearest dealer and they’re ordering a new A/C compressor and a high voltage fuse for the hybrid system that are about a week out. Tech says the Jeep is undrivable so I’m looking at another two weeks without the car I pay over $800 a month lease pmt on.

The Jeep is gorgeous, Earl gray with the fancy top, power leather seats and everything but I’m just real tired of driving somewhere and it breaks down.

it’s four times in the shop now in the past six weeks. I’m over it, tired of dealing with Jeep Roadside who made me wait in a cold car for over two hours for a tow after work and decided to call an attorney instead.

When was your 2024 made? In 2023?

 

[DaisyMae]

When was your 2024 made? In 2023?

Yes. I’ve had it since September 2023.