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Call me crazy, but that did it. the vehicle has been traded in for a new Ford Expedition. I'm done with the hybrids until all the bugs are worked out of them. I've had on before and now have one again
how bad was the trade in number?
 
If Jeep has to reabsorb all the leases due to this recall, it'll probably bankrupt the company. Plus, I don't think that's a reasonable thing to ask a company to do. To buy back all the new cars and leases just due to this recall.

This is really not a MAJOR problem. Chances if catching fire is probably slightly higher than winning the lotto.

I'm parking my car outside, but I still use it as intended. If it really burns down, my insurance will help me end the lease. :p

Of course I hope Jeep will come up with a resolution quick... otherwise Jeep will still go under sooner or later...
It’ll be really interesting dealing with insurance knowing you had a recall and didn’t follow the instructions of said recall. I’m fairly certain there are systems in the jeep that keep extremely accurate data on when and how we charge our vehicles. Just a word of caution.

dbl
 
My 2021 Sahara 4xe was included in the recall last year and the software flash was applied. 2 days later, it was barely drivable (tons of errors, check engine light, etc.) and the battery was replaced in late spring of this year. That said, I am wondering if I might be able to skate by this latest recall since I already have a new battery. One can only hope. Is anyone else in this situation?
I’ve read in several forums that these recalls, especially the software flashes, are not only “trying” to fix an issue, but also updating the systems that check for errors. Following the flash, those systems have better data to look for issues and throw codes. Some of those errors may have always been there, but unchecked. My advice would be to keep checking to see if there is actually a need for you to get the latest update.

dbl
 
Yes I've finally thrown in the towel on Jeeps for now. I purchased my first Jeep in 1997 a Jeep Wrangler. Since then I've owned 5 Grand Cherokee's including the last one a 2022 Grand Cherokee 4xe Summit. My son an daughter have also owned, Patriots, Compass and Cherokees. up until the GC 4xe that all have been flawless. Maybe I made the mistake of buying something new to the market. I ordered this GC 4xe as soon as the buying window opened in early January of 2022. That was my first mistake as I was told it would take until April or May to receive the Jeep. Well that stretched out to 11 months and we didn't get it till December of 2022. Within a short time , recalls began happening including a warranty issue of a voltage reduction module that failed and stranded us until road service could arrive and get us started. That fix took 6 weeks of the jeep sitting at the dealer waiting for the part. Then the recall for the bolt in the steering which could fail. Then having the driver assist fail which required a new steering wheel that had to be ordered.
The straw that finally broke the camels back is the latest recall of the Jeep being a fire hazard with no immediate fix in site. Call me crazy, but that did it. the vehicle has been traded in for a new Ford Expedition. I'm done with the hybrids until all the bugs are worked out of them. I've had on before and now have one again
Why didn’t you pursue a lemon law case? Six months sitting at the dealer sounds like an easy win.
 
It’ll be really interesting dealing with insurance knowing you had a recall and didn’t follow the instructions of said recall. I’m fairly certain there are systems in the jeep that keep extremely accurate data on when and how we charge our vehicles. Just a word of caution.

dbl
That is true, huh? If my car burned down, would insurance try to get out of paying for the damage after talking to Jeep?

Under 'moving' circumstances, surely I'll get taken care of regardless whether if the accident is my fault or not, right?

However, in this case, things definitely could get interesting... hmmm...

Legally, I can't imagine Jeep is now completely off the hook by announcing this recall and if they catches owners charging the car and it burned down, it'll be completely owner's fault to the point that can even get insurance companies off the hook? Anyway, I'm definitely no legal expert. Does anyone have a more definite answer?
 
That is true, huh? If my car burned down, would insurance try to get out of paying for the damage after talking to Jeep?

Under 'moving' circumstances, surely I'll get taken care of regardless whether if the accident is my fault or not, right?

However, in this case, things definitely could get interesting... hmmm...

Legally, I can't imagine Jeep is now completely off the hook by announcing this recall and if they catches owners charging the car and it burned down, it'll be completely owner's fault to the point that can even get insurance companies off the hook? Anyway, I'm definitely no legal expert. Does anyone have a more definite answer?
I worked as a claims adjuster years ago and one of the things that you're supposed to do is "mitigate your damages" meaning don't behave in a way that makes the cost of a claim go up when you know better.

End of the day I think your car insurance will cover you. They may try to go after Jeep to recover their damages.

Recall notices have been sent out, but they've also been sent out for millions of Takata air bags that haven't been replaced.. proving you got something via snail mail without delivery confirmation is hard. The app notifications could be a different story, but I'm no lawyer.

That being said I wouldn't park my Jeep in the garage and charge it there.. if the house caught on fire you'll have your homeowners, auto insurance, and Stellantis pointing at eachother like the Spider-Man meme for who's paying for the house. It will absolutely get complicated and slow down you getting made whole.
 
I worked as a claims adjuster years ago and one of the things that you're supposed to do is "mitigate your damages" meaning don't behave in a way that makes the cost of a claim go up when you know better.

End of the day I think your car insurance will cover you. They may try to go after Jeep to recover their damages.

Recall notices have been sent out, but they've also been sent out for millions of Takata air bags that haven't been replaced.. proving you got something via snail mail without delivery confirmation is hard. The app notifications could be a different story, but I'm no lawyer.

That being said I wouldn't park my Jeep in the garage and charge it there.. if the house caught on fire you'll have your homeowners, auto insurance, and Stellantis pointing at eachother like the Spider-Man meme for who's paying for the house. It will absolutely get complicated and slow down you getting made whole.
the only instruction I’m following now is to park my jeep outside in the driveway. Just in case, I don’t want my house to burn down. Also not parking any other cars next to the Jeep. Don’t want to lose more than 1 car a lot a time…
 
Does anyone have any update on when we can expect a fix?

Mine is now stuck in FORM and has a partial charge on the battery, so I have no way to drain the charge. I'm not sure how concerned I should be about the fire risk. Since the last time it got stuck in the refresh mode it took over a month to get out of it, it looks like I won't be able to drain the battery anytime soon.
 
Does anyone have any update on when we can expect a fix?

Mine is now stuck in FORM and has a partial charge on the battery, so I have no way to drain the charge. I'm not sure how concerned I should be about the fire risk. Since the last time it got stuck in the refresh mode it took over a month to get out of it, it looks like I won't be able to drain the battery anytime soon.
No need to drain it. Just don't charge it. Regen charge will not charge it to 100% anyways. Please go through the 9 pages of this thread... all discussed multiple times.
 
Yeah, if a problem that caused my Jeep to become just a brick on my driveway and I can't even drive it, naturally I'm not going to continue making the monthly lease payment on that!

Battery issue is really not that big of a deal. These manufacturers just realized some issues that should've been better than they are, but to be fair, I don't see this as a deal breaker for me.

Similarly I understand people now are probably afraid to fly Boeing planes, especially Max, but honestly chances of me dying in a Boeing plane is still very very remote! Even when the door panel blew out, that didn't really kill anybody, right? ;)

Anyway, they should've done better yes, but let's not worry ourselves to death. If it's really that serious of a problem, we should see more fires in the news. Last I heard they had 13 fires? Out of about 200,000 4xes? The odds of winning is pretty slim..., I wouldn't even waste money buying a lotto ticket with such odds.
13 fires reported. Per the local news agency "Stellantis estimates that 5% of the SUVs have the problem." So that makes an estimated 10,000 vehicles with the issue. I have also heard that if you experienced a lack of power while running all electric, have noticed the ICE kick in more often in situations that don't seem to warrant extra power or have noticed the E range drop quicker than normal, especially while under 40% battery, you MAY have the issue. That is probably all BroScience, but I have had all 3 of those things happen. I thought it was normal 4xe performance. On a side note, not plugging it in, really makes me appreciate the underpowered, coarse and unrefined 2.0 ICE. Nothing like dropping to 4 or 5th on the freeway just trying to keep the same speed on an incline. Getting 20.5 MPG and that is with about 20% electric city miles just from energy recovered while driving. At least all the ICE mileage has decreased the gas smell in the engine oil.
 
13 fires reported
This actually isn't clear. The filings say 13 field reports and 13 customer service records, but isn't actually clear that those are fires or just issues related to separator failure.
 
Why didn’t you pursue a lemon law case? Six months sitting at the dealer sounds like an easy win.
I had to re-read my post. I had written "6 Weeks" in the post not 6 months. Maybe I had too much faith in Jeep and hoped they had fixed the bugs. As I mentioned I had been a loyal jeep customer for their past 28 years and never had an issue with the many Jeeps I had owned. I really liked the GC and maybe some day if Stellantis gets their crap together , I would consider Jeep again
 
I had to re-read my post. I had written "6 Weeks" in the post not 6 months. Maybe I had too much faith in Jeep and hoped they had fixed the bugs. As I mentioned I had been a loyal jeep customer for their past 28 years and never had an issue with the many Jeeps I had owned. I really liked the GC and maybe some day if Stellantis gets their crap together , I would consider Jeep again
With what is going on now within Stellantis and their American brands, I probably have purchased my last new Stellantis product. With the amount of bad blood between the UAW and Stellantis now, it would seem to be very hard for the organization to focus and maintain quality much less improve it. With that said, I have not had any problems personally during my 10,000 miles on my 2023 Wrangler 4xe. (Except its sitting in the driveway now, uncharged).
 
how bad was the trade in number?
It wasn't great. After the initial offer , my wife and I literally got up and walked out of the dealership. I've never been followed out of a dealership before , but as we were getting in the Jeep, the salesman, the Sales Manager , and the Dealership manager came out and said lets talk about this. We went into the Dealership Managers office and he proceeded to show me dealer invoice on the new Ford and supposed Blackbook values on the Jeep. I knew the Blackbook numbers were somewhat valid as a good friend of mine in the auto industry had given me what the Jeep should have been valued at. The Blackbook numbers were $10,000 higher than the trade they were going to allow me. Then the dealer went into their story of how much they would be able to sell the Jeep for. In the end, they upped the trade value to the Blackbook number and based it off the Dealer invoice for the new Expedition, plus the $5,000 off for the Expedition from Ford that the dealer would be rebated for anyways. As I told them I don't mind them making a profit , but not the entire amount of the first offer. What finally made me feel somewhat satisfied was 4 days after the deal , They had my traded Jeep on their website for about $1,500 more than they allotted for the trade. And if you're curious as to what the Blackbook value is on a 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe Summit; it's about $46,000. Disgusting isn't it? But it was worth the piece of mind of not having the thing go up in flames sitting in my garage
 
With what is going on now within Stellantis and their American brands, I probably have purchased my last new Stellantis product. With the amount of bad blood between the UAW and Stellantis now, it would seem to be very hard for the organization to focus and maintain quality much less improve it. With that said, I have not had any problems personally during my 10,000 miles on my 2023 Wrangler 4xe. (Except its sitting in the driveway now, uncharged).
I don't blame you for parking it in your driveway. Hopefully they will work the bugs out of these and everything will be fine. As I mentioned , I do like Jeeps, but I'm taking a break for a while That's great that yours has been issue free. I hope it remains that way.
 
And if you're curious as to what the Blackbook value is on a 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe Summit; it's about $46,000. Disgusting isn't it?
It is; did that cover your loan/lease buyout or did you have to roll negative equity into the new deal?

I've got a base Limited and the numbers I'm getting are now under $30k. That would more or less leave me on the hook for all remaining lease payments based on the last payoff quote I got, which was about $42k.

If I could get 46, I'd sell this thing yesterday!
 
It is; did that cover your loan/lease buyout or did you have to roll negative equity into the new deal?

I've got a base Limited and the numbers I'm getting are now under $30k. That would more or less leave me on the hook for all remaining lease payments based on the last payoff quote I got, which was about $42k.

If I could get 46, I'd sell this thing yesterday!
Luckily I had no loan on the GC 4xe so I didn't have to pay anything off. I was able to take the final trade offer and apply it towards the dealer invoice on the new Ford. I still feel like I took a beating on the trade value . Too take a 44% devaluation from what I paid for for the Jeep 23 months ago was a tough pill to swallow. As I may have mentioned in an earlier post, I really like Jeeps and have owned several of them , but the recall after recall was getting a little too much. That's not to say there won't be recalls and issues with the Ford Expedition, but I'm taking the PHEV out of the equation and one less thing to worry about.
 
1st couple of years will always result in a drastic hit in resale value. Of course there are cars with way better resale value, but usually those are more reliable cars or rare specialty higher demand cars? Jeep is really not known for it's high resale value, right? Plus, I have to say MSPR on these 4xe's do seem kinda ridiculous. This is why I leased one... so that the Fed can help shave off $7500 right off the top!

Anyway, there is probably a reason why we don't have many PHEVs available. It is probably overly complicated... on paper, we have the best of both worlds, but in reality, we probably end up with the worst of both worlds...

With that said, I'm still overall happy with my 4xe. Wife uses it mostly as an EV doing local errands and we also use it to tow our RV camper during camping season. Nearly a year and 8000 miles later, thing hasn't been problem free but at least no show stoppers.

We're still using it as intended. Just parking it on the driveway as far away from the house and other cars as possible! :p

In a way, I'm hoping for a poor resale value so that I can buy it cheap after lease ends. We'll see if I'll feel the same way after 2 more years of this PHEV... ;)
 
Same here, 19k miles in and no major issues besides this low-probability high-impact risk of auto combustion. :)
I'm hoping for a poor resale value so that I can buy it cheap after lease ends.
That's an interesting move. How would you do that? Return the car, wait until the dealership post the car on their site?
 
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