[ttturner68]

Just another perspective; I have a 2021 bought second hand very few miles on it. After 6 months I’m averaging 27mpg. I drive it in Hybrid mode with 4 auto engaged. I get 22-26 miles on electric. Lots of things can impact that like HVAC, etc so that seems reasonable. Why I love it and would buy it again? Is an extra 100hp and 100lb/ft torque all with better mpg. It’s a win win win. If I wanted electric there are so many better options out there, but you can’t take the roof and doors off and drive them on the beach! I think that is what the 4xe is about. Lifestyle with a measure of practical responsibility.

With the Recon on the way maybe he should just tough it out and Sell the Wrangler when it comes out. But he lives in Canada, hope the cold weather range reduction doesn't hit too hard.

 

[Big "D"]

So, I recently upgraded from my 2018 Jeep JLU Sport S to a 2023 High Altitude Sahara 4xe. I didn't realize I needed to be a slueth to figure out the range specs. The 4xe is advertised as having 49 MPGe - or 49 Miles Per Gallon estimated. MPGe rating equates to 49 miles on 37.8 kWH of stored energy which is equivalent to 1 gallon of fuel. All the advertisements cite this as a metric for comparing it to other EV Hybrids. However, the Jeep 4xe only has a battery storage capacity of 17 kWH, which is less than 50% of the storage capacity needed to achieve the 49 MPGe. The actual electric range is 21 miles. I purchased the vehicle to save on fuel because my travel distance to work and back is approximately 11 miles round trip. I can easily achieve this, but any side trips do eat into the electric distance I have available for use.

I feel slightly misled by the advertisements. I enjoy the new vehicle and all its features; I am just disappointed that the truth about the actual range was hidden. I was expecting the ability to achieve 49 MPGe, but I did not expect it would be less than half. I paid less than sticker with taxes, title, tags and extended warranty, only having a range of 21 miles in all-electric mode does not in my mind justify the added expense to own this vehicle as a Hybrid. I would not have purchased the Hybrid had I known and understood the MPGe rating and what the vehicle could achieve.

The positive side is that the gas engine achieves approximately 25 mpg. I will post actual calculated MPG once I make my first fill-up.

Wade

Hello, the window sticker on my 4xe said 21 miles on electric only. If I keep my foot out of it I get close to 30. I push it for fun it can go into the teens.
I knew exactly what I was getting. The $7,500 federal government incentive was crucial in the decision. An economical, powerful well equipped Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara for the price of a soort. Works for me.
Enjoy your ride.
Dana

 

[aristobrat]

only having a range of 21 miles in all-electric mode does not in my mind justify the added expense to own this vehicle as a Hybrid.

x2 on the post above mentioning the extra horsepower and torque (which continues in most cases even after you've done you're 21 electric miles and the battery shows 0%).

 

[HardSell]

most don't know squat about what they're selling anyway.

Or they're trained to not tell everything they know.

My viewpoint: I factory ordered, drove and wheeled an '87 Cherokee with D44 285K miles on it (engine and gear box untouched) until stolen. Over the years, I stiffened the uni body and built it up to Rubicon capabilities on 31s only suffering a 1 mpg deficit. That 32 year old XJ (at the time of theft) post modifications with its 20 gallon tank still delivered better than 400 miles of highway range and would get 14mpg on badge trails. Example: top up in Blanding; drive and camp three nights out on Hole in the Rock; return to Blanding to top up; then on to Moab for a burger, shower, a good night's sleep and more badge wheeling. The good ol' boys in their newer TJs had to carry extra gas with their smaller tanks and significantly worse gas mileage. 4Xe specs: 370 mile total driving range which presumably includes 21 miles of fully charged electric only driving on flat tarmac. The 4Xe's dramatic acceleration does not impress me when it comes to steep rock crawling and 75 mph speed limit applications. Range, economy, capability, durability, ease of maintenance, ease of trail repair and when needed, parts availability or modifiability do impress me. How forgiving is a vehicle when trouble happens? Are there work-a-rounds to get you out? Applying those standards from the basis of my experience, the 4Xe just doesn't cut it for me at any price notwithstanding what people are actually paying for 'em. Considering the direction Stellantis is taking the platform, I'm skeptical that the essential things regarding off-roading are actually improving. I'm seeing all the hype as a kind of mirage. I've never been privileged to enjoy much discretionary income and I've never regarded taking on debt as a legitimate means for creating income. So, I've had to learn to be very wary of the next big thing especially when collusive government and international conglomerates are pushing it.

 

[Blxe Stxel]

Or they're trained to not tell everything they know.

My viewpoint: I factory ordered, drove and wheeled an '87 Cherokee with D44 285K miles on it (engine and gear box untouched) until stolen. Over the years, I stiffened the uni body and built it up to Rubicon capabilities on 31s only suffering a 1 mpg deficit. That 32 year old XJ (at the time of theft) post modifications with its 20 gallon tank still delivered better than 400 miles of highway range and would get 14mpg on badge trails. Example: top up in Blanding; drive and camp three nights out on Hole in the Rock; return to Blanding to top up; then on to Moab for a burger, shower, a good night's sleep and more badge wheeling. The good ol' boys in their newer TJs had to carry extra gas with their smaller tanks and significantly worse gas mileage. 4Xe specs: 370 mile total driving range which presumably includes 21 miles of fully charged electric only driving on flat tarmac. The 4Xe's dramatic acceleration does not impress me when it comes to steep rock crawling and 75 mph speed limit applications. Range, economy, capability, durability, ease of maintenance, ease of trail repair and when needed, parts availability or modifiability do impress me. How forgiving is a vehicle when trouble happens? Are there work-a-rounds to get you out? Applying those standards from the basis of my experience, the 4Xe just doesn't cut it for me at any price notwithstanding what people are actually paying for 'em. Considering the direction Stellantis is taking the platform, I'm skeptical that the essential things regarding off-roading are actually improving. I'm seeing all the hype as a kind of mirage. I've never been privileged to enjoy much discretionary income and I've never regarded taking on debt as a legitimate means for creating income. So, I've had to learn to be very wary of the next big thing especially when collusive government and international conglomerates are pushing it.

So, you're just here to complain, or? You're kind of a downer Captain BuzzKill.

 

[dallasvolvos]

Our 2023 shows 24 mpg. At 500 miles all electric and 700 on engine . We purchased it for the additional torque. The 20 miles with engine off to church and back 3 times a week . And charging at a RV park with “ included “ electric 120v and 50 amp power when on Motorhome outings . And we do flat tow with our motorhome .

 

[colnago1331]

<snip>
The 4xe is advertised as having 49 MPGe - or 49 Miles Per Gallon estimated.
<snip>

While you’ve likely realized your error by now, I didn’t see where anyone specifically pointed out that MPGe is not Miles per Gallon estimated but rather Miles per Gallon equivalent.

 

[Obi.Wan.Shawnobi]

My Wrangler gets 36mpg based on a 32 gallon tank....

That's basically what the 49mpge is saying. It's dumb and not accurate or applicable to a vehicle that doesn't have that capacity. I understand the confusion.

I bought the 4Xe because I love the 2.0, the power output, and the potential to have a near quiet off road experience potential.

 

[Mllcb42]

My Wrangler gets 36mpg based on a 32 gallon tank....

That's basically what the 49mpge is saying. It's dumb and not accurate or applicable to a vehicle that doesn't have that capacity. I understand the confusion

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[BBJ]

Yea never believe the sticker by itself. Do your due diligence and for goodness sake enjoy the crap out of it! My decision was based on the option of electric/hybrid modes…and increased go/torque, with decent gas mileage to boot! Plus, I can take the top and doors off and drive it on the beach! Im with you, Man!

by the way, been to Canada 3 times (Montreal, Vancouver and Ottawa) and it’s BEAUTIFUL…including the exchange rate for currency.

 

[HardSell]

So, you're just here to complain, or? You're kind of a downer Captain BuzzKill.

I'm here to see what others are commenting regarding Electric Range of 2023 Jeep 4xe - Actual vs Advertised. Since I haven't bought a 4Xe, I have nothing to complain about, but I remain all ears so to speak, doing my research.

No offense but I find it so odd people will do so little research before spending this sort of money.

A major aspect of research is comparing what is known (experienced) to what is claimed.
I hope you'll experience many years of joyful, trouble free ownership with your purchase. I can only be a "Captain Buzzkill" downer if you're beginning to observe or suspect things as I'm learning from others' testimony including research from other threads. Your reply alone gives me reason to believe something is already causing you to itch. Otherwise, rather than expressing irritation you would have simply moved on to contribute your own positive experiences regarding actual electric range rather than drawing attention to my post to somehow defend or reinforce your beliefs.

 

[PatriotX]

Please don't feed the jeeptrolls

 

[4xesc]

The auto manufacturers do it all the time, even on gas cars. My wife's car supposedly gets 30 hwy mpg. We didnt buy it for the mpg its listed right on the sticker. Well with some digging, I found that the only trim that gets that mpg is the one spec trim with the highest gear ratio. All others get 27 hwy even with the same listed engine.

 

[Mllcb42]

The auto manufacturers do it all the time, even on gas cars. My wife's car supposedly gets 30 hwy mpg. We didnt buy it for the mpg its listed right on the sticker. Well with some digging, I found that the only trim that gets that mpg is the one spec trim with the highest gear ratio. All others get 27 hwy even with the same listed engine.

The issue here isn't really that it doesn't get what is advertised... many get way better than what is advertised. It's that people don't understand the advertised efficiency.

 

[gfdiver69]

Or they're trained to not tell everything they know.

My viewpoint: I factory ordered, drove and wheeled an '87 Cherokee with D44 285K miles on it (engine and gear box untouched) until stolen. Over the years, I stiffened the uni body and built it up to Rubicon capabilities on 31s only suffering a 1 mpg deficit. That 32 year old XJ (at the time of theft) post modifications with its 20 gallon tank still delivered better than 400 miles of highway range and would get 14mpg on badge trails. Example: top up in Blanding; drive and camp three nights out on Hole in the Rock; return to Blanding to top up; then on to Moab for a burger, shower, a good night's sleep and more badge wheeling. The good ol' boys in their newer TJs had to carry extra gas with their smaller tanks and significantly worse gas mileage. 4Xe specs: 370 mile total driving range which presumably includes 21 miles of fully charged electric only driving on flat tarmac. The 4Xe's dramatic acceleration does not impress me when it comes to steep rock crawling and 75 mph speed limit applications. Range, economy, capability, durability, ease of maintenance, ease of trail repair and when needed, parts availability or modifiability do impress me. How forgiving is a vehicle when trouble happens? Are there work-a-rounds to get you out? Applying those standards from the basis of my experience, the 4Xe just doesn't cut it for me at any price notwithstanding what people are actually paying for 'em. Considering the direction Stellantis is taking the platform, I'm skeptical that the essential things regarding off-roading are actually improving. I'm seeing all the hype as a kind of mirage. I've never been privileged to enjoy much discretionary income and I've never regarded taking on debt as a legitimate means for creating income. So, I've had to learn to be very wary of the next big thing especially when collusive government and international conglomerates are pushing it.

I don't disagree with you. I think the new business for Southern Utah will be a retrieval operation using 15+ year old units to haul the new and improved.
IMHO I think the long term goal is to shut down all the off road excursions, you're to smart and uncontrollable

 

[HardSell]

If you haven't already viewed, "Looking to trade after 2,500 miles", it's certainly an entertaining read exposing the perspective of elites who are now encroaching upon our simple pleasures. The quote of the year for me is: "Feels more luxurious than my Mercedes GLS 550, Mercedes e450 and BMW 540i. Not meaning to flex…" I'm amazed he didn't include a G650 These people have no clue of how they sound.

I think the long term goal is to shut down all the off road excursions,

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

 

[foresterbauer]

Are you getting 49MPGe for the entire 370 mile range?

 

[Clutch Auto Deals]

Are you getting 49MPGe for the entire 370 mile range?

49 mpge is a measurement of efficiency in electric mode. The amount of fuel in the gas tank will have a tiny effect on that, but not huge.

 

[Dave401]

Only owning for 14 days, the total range started at 350/217 (km/miles). In the first week of ownership, my electric range was 46-48 / 28-29 (km/miles) at 100%. No change after 14 days. My commute to work round trip is 28/17 (km/miles). Most time it consumes 60% of battery which leaves me with 18-20 / 11-12 (km/miles) for errands after work. I was a little heavy footed with heat on a few days ago and the range dropped fast. This Winter, I suspect the electric range will drop by 25%.

Last night went for a 3 hr 292/181 (km/miles) drive. The drive started with E-Save (BS) at 74% and 7/8 full. At the end of the drive, combined driven + combine DTE, the range came to 680/422 (km/miles) at the end of the drive. This is much better than advertised. I suspect the total range "may" increase closer to 720/447(km/miles) with a few more long drives ahead.

This is just my practice but I no longer look at the MPG as this doesn't tell me how far I can go. So now I pay more attention to the estimated range instead.

 

[HardSell]

Jordan Carlton
Fri, September 1, 2023 at 4:00 AM MDT
"Toyota recently announced plans for an EV with a 900-mile range after just 10 minutes of charging, an unprecedented technology that would address one of the most common hesitations of potential EV owners — range anxiety."

Got my attention. Supposedly these will not be hybrids. So, how long until the market sees these on lots? 500-600 mile range for Jeeps? The next Magneto concept? How about hybrid applications?

Now I understand why Toyota has delayed introducing something to compete with the 4Xe. It may be planning to leap-frog Stellantis.

2023 Jeep Wrangler 4xe Willys: $54,735 MSRP. 2023 Jeep Wrangler 4xe Sahara: $56,845 MSRP. 2023 Jeep Wrangler 4xe Rubicon: $61,080 MSRP.

Three year lease? Five year lease? Seven year loan commitment, anyone?